Value of: Ivan Demidov vs 2025 1oa

[qc14]

People don't realize Demidov will probably have the best season ever in the KHL for an U20. And that includes players like Ovi, Malkin, Kucherov, Panarin, Kaprizov, etc.
Oh and he's doing it at an even younger age.
i personaly think he will be a top 10 player (and more) in the league for years to come

Not that it isn't still impressive but the quality of the KHL has declined a noticeable amount the last ~5 years. There's a reason that all of these records have been repeatedly broken recently.

I'd still probably take Schaefer or Hagens over Demidov right now but it also is close enough that it would be team specific and for MTL, I think Demidov is the best fit.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

More like Hab fans are gloating like crazy over Demidov because they know they done f***ed up picking Reinbacher.

 

[frederixx]

Not that it isn't still impressive but the quality of the KHL has declined a noticeable amount the last ~5 years. There's a reason that all of these records have been repeatedly broken recently.

I'd still probably take Schaefer or Hagens over Demidov right now but it also is close enough that it would be team specific and for MTL, I think Demidov is the best fit.

I honestly don't think a single NHL GM would take Hagens over Demidov, not 1! In fact, i think Hagens will probably go between the 4-8th pick. But i'm not here to convince anyone on how good Demidov is. I think that when all is said and done, Demidov will be one of the best of his generation. I don't tend to agree very often with the overconfident typical Habs fan, but on this one... Oh my, will he be one special player!

 

[Doublechin]

I honestly don't think a single NHL GM would take Hagens over Demidov, not 1! In fact, i think Hagens will probably go between the 4-8th pick. But i'm not here to convince anyone on how good Demidov is. I think that when all is said and done, Demidov will be one of the best of his generation. I don't tend to agree very often with the overconfident typical Habs fan, but on this one... Oh my, will he be one special player!

I agree

The convo is Schaefer vs Demidov

Hagens isn't in the convo

 

[Juxtaposer]

I honestly don't think a single NHL GM would take Hagens over Demidov, not 1! In fact, i think Hagens will probably go between the 4-8th pick. But i'm not here to convince anyone on how good Demidov is. I think that when all is said and done, Demidov will be one of the best of his generation. I don't tend to agree very often with the overconfident typical Habs fan, but on this one... Oh my, will he be one special player!

Three NHL teams last season picked an objectively worse player instead of Demidov. On talent I'd take Demidov over any 2025 forward, but NHL GMs probably wouldn't.

 

[qc14]

Three NHL teams last season picked an objectively worse player instead of Demidov. On talent I'd take Demidov over any 2025 forward, but NHL GMs probably wouldn't.

Yep. Center vs. winger alone makes a huge difference even before you get into the "Russian Factor". It's also not like Hagens is some bum, you could very easily argue that his D+0 year is more impressive than Demidov's.

 

[frederixx]

Three NHL teams last season picked an objectively worse player instead of Demidov. On talent I'd take Demidov over any 2025 forward, but NHL GMs probably wouldn't.

He was considered very talented, but was still playing in the Russia Junior League. Unlike Michkov who had KHL experience at only 16. GMs didn't know how well he would play against bigger guys. At 17, he was listed at 5'11 and a year later, 6'1. So they went with what they thought would be the safer pick.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Yep. Center vs. winger alone makes a huge difference even before you get into the "Russian Factor". It's also not like Hagens is some bum, you could very easily argue that his D+0 year is more impressive than Demidov's.

Not real btw

And yeah you can argue that but you’d be objectively wrong

 

[hamzarocks]

Celebrini is good but Demidov should've been 1st overall last year and would easily be this year. The number of teams scared of drafting Russians just blows my mind. Still can't believe both Michkov and Demidov fell like they did.

You serious or is this crack?

 

[Juxtaposer]

He was considered very talented, but was still playing in the Russia Junior League. Unlike Michkov who had KHL experience at only 16. GMs didn't know how well he would play against bigger guys. At 17, he was listed at 5'11 and a year later, 6'1. So they went with what they thought would be the safer pick.

Ah yes, the safer picks of an unprecedented Belarusian NCAA defenseman with hockey IQ questions, Quentin Musty On Crack, and Guy With Back Issues.

Demidov said all the right things pre-draft that there shouldn't have been any influence from the "Russian factor" in his personal draft stock. As you said, he proved via the unofficial Florida combine that his size wasn't going to be a problem.

The fact is that scouts were uncomfortable taking a Russian in Russia simply because of the lack of in-person viewings and difficulty of scouting in that region. That doesn't change between the MHL and KHL. Demidov should have gone 2nd last year with a bullet. He didn't because NHL GMs are babies, and that wouldn't change in twelve months.

 

[Hawkaholic]

You don't get it?

Instead of surrounding the core of
Suzuki 5-11 207
Caufield 5-8 175
Hutson 5-9 162

With players like
Dach - 6-4 220
Slaf - 6'3-225
Laine - 6'4-208
Reinbacher - 6'3-207

We could have surrounded them with

Frank Nazar - 5'10 - 190
Logan Cooley 6' 191
Matvei Michkov - 5'10 - 172

And had an entire core of players below 6 feet tall and 190 lbs.

I'd rather have the better players, personally. Can always sort out the rest later with trades.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I'd rather have the better players, personally. Can always sort out the rest later with trades.

yeah just have to fleece 3 gms in 3 separate trades in order to get 3 better players with size than what we have.

and that is assuming our players arent already the better players right now. Zero need for MM with caufield, laine demi and slaf

cooley would be a great add to this roster but 2c can be found via trade or ufa every season.

nazar , we have hage.

 

[hawksrule]

Wow. Nothing against Demidov, but it’s jumping the gun on the coronation.

 

[Hawkaholic]

yeah just have to fleece 3 gms in 3 separate trades in order to get 3 better players with size than what we have.

and that is assuming our players arent already the better players right now. Zero need for MM with caufield, laine demi and slaf

cooley would be a great add to this roster but 2c can be found via trade or ufa every season.

nazar , we have hage.

You most certainly wouldn't have to fleece 3 different GMs to get a Dach, Laine, and Slaf for the players you have mentioned, the other GM would be doing the fleecing in that case. Dach isn't worth much, Laine went for nothing, and Slafs value diminishes by the game. You could replace all 3 of those guys pretty easily, with better players.

 

[Frank Drebin]

You most certainly wouldn't have to fleece 3 different GMs to get a Dach, Laine, and Slaf for the players you have mentioned, the other GM would be doing the fleecing in that case. Dach isn't worth much, Laine went for nothing, and Slafs value diminishes by the game. You could replace all 3 of those guys pretty easily, with better players.

Its gotta suck to be a Hawks fan right now.

Imagine watching your team trying to ask Columbus for a panicked do-over less than an hour after they picked 2oa. Passing on Michkov sucked for a while but it really doesn't sting at all now that Demidov and Laine landed in our lap.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

You most certainly wouldn't have to fleece 3 different GMs to get a Dach, Laine, and Slaf for the players you have mentioned, the other GM would be doing the fleecing in that case. Dach isn't worth much, Laine went for nothing, and Slafs value diminishes by the game. You could replace all 3 of those guys pretty easily, with better players.

That’s cope

 

[The Great Weal]

May be premature, but Habs don't do this. Schaefer will likely be the better player, but we're already loaded with competent LHD, it's the offensive wingers that we need and it's hard to find a better one than Demidov outside the NHL.

 

[DaPhazz]

Potential #1 C Hagens, #1 D in Schaefer or #1W in Demidov.

Give me the Center and Defender before the winger.

You'd take 30 centers over Kucherov?

Zzzz

 

[Reimannsum1988]

More like Hab fans are gloating like crazy over Demidov because they know they done f***ed up picking Reinbacher.

Exactly; they threw away a fifth overall pick on a massive reach who projected as a bottom-pairing defenseman if he developed properly (he hasn't) when they could have selected a superstar talent.

Demidov, and the "oh, then we wouldn't have gotten Laine" excuses that are utterly baffling because somehow you can't have two star wingers or something, are pure cope for managerial failures.

 

[LeProspector]

You'd take 30 centers over Kucherov?

Zzzz

Newsflash: Demidov isn’t Kucherov.

You’re setting your expectations too high if that’s what you’re expecting out of him. That’s what his ceiling is.

 

[stevo61]

I apologize for taking a shot at your team. I should do better.

No issue with it.

Let's laugh at Columbus for taking a guy with a bad back

But for real this is a Demidov vs Schaefer debate for me. I'd go Schaefer but obviously 2 high end prospects

 

[CallMeShaft]

Let's laugh at Columbus for taking a guy with a bad back

But for real this is a Demidov vs Schaefer debate for me. I'd go Schaefer but obviously 2 high end prospects

Please go back to making fun of the Hawks, we can take it. Columbus has suffered enough.

 

[hawksrule]

You'd take 30 centers over Kucherov?

Zzzz

Now Demidov is Kucherov? Lol, this place at times is bonkers.

 

[DaPhazz]

Now Demidov is Kucherov? Lol, this place at times is bonkers.

Of course not, there's a context, and you missed it.

Just exposing the unidirectional "I'm taking the 1C 1D before a 1W" lazy rethoric.

 

[MoneyManny]

People don't realize Demidov will probably have the best season ever in the KHL for an U20. And that includes players like Ovi, Malkin, Kucherov, Panarin, Kaprizov, etc.
Oh and he's doing it at an even younger age.
i personaly think he will be a top 10 player (and more) in the league for years to come

He's a Hab, this is what's been happening to our prospects around here.

Caufield lit up the NCAA, led the league in goals as a freshman. His second year leads the league in goals+points, wins the Hobey, but everyone on HFboards completely overlooks him and the consensus is that he's going to be a complete non-factor in the NHL.

Lane Hutson broke records in his first year NCAA in Boston, being the only defenseman ever to lead the conference in scoring. Lights the league up like no other D has since Brian Leetch. HFboards consensus is that scouting departments are professionals and a player like him would never fall through the cracks without warts. Will definitely become a complete non-factor in the NHL, his deceptive playstyle will never work at the next level and his body won't last through 5 shifts.

Now Demidov is likely to break records in his rookie season in the KHL but comparing him to other star Russians who had lesser performances is heresy and blasphemy. Oh and he's 2 full levels below Michkov, obviously. Demidov's ceiling is Jonathan Drouin.