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But why does this keep happening? Why is the coaching continuing to loom over this team year after year? Whether it is the hires of assistants or coordinators, this Steelers team is not detailed enough nor competent enough from a gameplan perspective to justify this as anything other than coaching.

The Steelers have the worst first-quarter defense and the second-worst first-quarter offense in the NFL this year. That is not a made-up stat. They allow over six points per game in the first quarter each week, and score just above three points in the first quarter this season. To not mince words, that can only be blamed on coaching and a lack of game-planning throughout the week.

The common denominator is Tomlin. This team has baffling examples of coaching gaffes throughout the game and their season, and when that all happens, it should fall at the feet of Tomlin.
 
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MissADD said:
What an absolute joke. What happened to the owner who said “We’ve had enough of this, It’s time to get some wins. It’s time to take the next steps. There is some urgency here, for sure.” I guess that was a lie?
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The owner is a dip s**t wuss. He spews BS and this fan base (or at least some of them) lap it up like the nit wit homers they are. He's a fraud/phony, just like Tomlin.

If someone starts a campaign for Bob Nutting to sell the Pirates, there should be a campaign for Art II to sell the Steelers. That would be this franchise's only hope for the future.
 
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Peat said:
Not arguing with anything you said about Tomlin, but there's a guy stood behind Tomlin who could fire him but won't because he is equally desperate for more success before his family convince him to retire, and he believes Tomlin is his best chance.

That's the really dangerous part.
I didn't watch. The wife insisted we didn't watch the second half so I can't comment. But I agree it should have been the plan. It felt like it was the plan when they were beating up bad times. Then they went back into their shell.
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I just don’t see Rooney as desperate or he wouldn’t keep with the status quo year after year.

He also has about 50-70k waiting list of suckers waiting to buy season tickets if any current holders bail out.

AR2 Is raking in the cash and clearly isn’t concerned about Tomlin making his family legacy a laughingstock.

I think we can agree he’s the main problem, but I view him as a content owner living off the stellar reputation his father established for this org, not a guy feeling desperate.
 
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Peat said:
I suppose you're right but it stuns me that anyone could consider a multi-year deal after the last few games. I'm not even definitely opposed to bringing him back as the starter, but there can be no commitment to the guy.

But there we go. Desperate orgs do desperate things.
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To me desperate... and a move I would understand would be:

Off Sam Darnold 100 / 3 years. Pair him with a Offensive Coordinator from McVay Tree (I think that's what Minnesota has) .... that's desperate but not horrible.

Russell Wilson is average / limited QB. OL is not the only reason he doesn't throw over the middle... it's also because he's 5' 6" (ahahha) I live in Seattle. He's never used the middle of the field and will not magically throw there now.

But this ORG will roll it all back. I would add Rolling it back is the path of least resistance and it's all about taking profit at for the Rooney's right now.
 
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nsvoyageurs said:
The owner is a dip s**t wuss. He spews BS and this fan base (or at least some of them) lap it up like the nit wit homers they are. He's a fraud/phony, just like Tomlin.

If someone starts a campaign for Bob Nutting to sell the Pirates, there should be a campaign for Art II to sell the Steelers. That would be this franchise's only hope for the future.
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Much like Tomlin, it’s time for AR2 to step down from his embarrassing reign and let his son take over.

I suspect his son wouldn’t feel the same blind loyalty to Tomlin, and would want to do things his way.
 
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I wonder if AR2 is scared of firing Tomlin because of optics, cause you know...
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Maybe he is waiting until Tomlin decides he wants to move on or retire.
 
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Khelandros said:
I wonder if AR2 is scared of firing Tomlin because of optics, cause you know...
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Maybe he is waiting until Tomlin decides he wants to move on or retire.
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Well in 2025 it's all about optics over performance. Wokeness over qualifications

The organization who created the rule requiring a minority get a HC fires their black HC?

That's a headline Art doesn't want to see, let alone the NFL.
 
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Khelandros said:
I wonder if AR2 is scared of firing Tomlin because of optics, cause you know...
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Maybe he is waiting until Tomlin decides he wants to move on or retire.
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I just don’t think AR2 has ever really had an original thought (probably an exaggeration…) when it comes to being the owner. The Steelers have always had consistency so that’s what he wants. The Steelers have always had a defense and run first mentality so that’s what he wants.

I think the sooner he turns the reins over to whoever is next the better.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Well in 2025 it's all about optics over performance. Wokeness over qualifications

The organization who created the rule requiring a minority get a HC fires their black HC?

That's a headline Art doesn't want to see, let alone the NFL.
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They could trade tomlin and hire another person of color like Johnson
 
More fun with stats

NFL head coaches to lose 6+ consecutive playoff games with the same team: Steve Owen (1939-50) Marvin Lewis (2005-15) Mike Tomlin (2016-24)
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Alex Kozora wrote:The Pittsburgh Steelers end their season being held to 17 or fewer points in 5-straight games.

That's the franchises first such streak since 1969, Chuck Noll's first year on the job. Pittsburgh went 1-13 that year. #Steelers
 
Anyone see DK's accusation?

DK shared a couple of tidbits- apparently these are well-known stories in Pittsburgh, but I never heard about them?

TL/DR- Mike Tomlin hates the discipline part of his job, so the ONLY thing that makes him want to fire assistants is if they don't do this part. They can suck at everything else but if they handle the discipline, he's cool with them.

DK's examples:

1) Mike Tomlin kept Matt Canada on for so long because whatever his myriad faults, he didn't take shit from any of the players, so he handled discipline just fine.
2) Last year, Allen Robinson was signed as a FA player to be the disciplinarian because Frisman Jackson was terrible at it
3) During some unspecified season, the OL coach was relieved of his responsibilities of running the OL meetings...he was told to sit in the back of the room while Maurkice Pouncey ran the show.
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
Would love that, but you'd have to essentially reverse your hiring process.
Meaning you'd have to secure the new coach THEN fire/trade the incumbent.

Typically it's the other way around.
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First thing they need to do is have a conversation with Mike he could go do tv like Peyton or we can work out a trade now. Explain to him your trading Minka and not bringing back RW at all. Your going to have a real trade TJ talks. He isn’t winning here would a team like Detroit give me a 1st round pick in 26 and some picks in 25. If your Khan and ownership you have make Tomlin uncomfortable
 
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Just re both replies to me above -

Don't make the mistake of thinking another guy has the same view of the situation as you.

I do think Rooney genuinely thinks he's trying to win, he just thinks Tomlin is great and really doesn't want to believe otherwise. I might be wrong but I certainly think he thinks far more highly of Tomlin than any of us. Likewise, I do think Tomlin is desperate to win, just he really likes Wilson and his history.

CheckingLineCenter said:
It’s funny - I have a lot of faith in Khan and very little in MT.
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I am still wait and see on Khan. His drafting has looked great the next day and that's mostly played out. His focus on the trenches makes me happy. His FA and trade strategy is swings and roundabouts for me.
 
Buddy Bizarre said:
Anyone see DK's accusation?

DK shared a couple of tidbits- apparently these are well-known stories in Pittsburgh, but I never heard about them?

TL/DR- Mike Tomlin hates the discipline part of his job, so the ONLY thing that makes him want to fire assistants is if they don't do this part. They can suck at everything else but if they handle the discipline, he's cool with them.

DK's examples:

1) Mike Tomlin kept Matt Canada on for so long because whatever his myriad faults, he didn't take shit from any of the players, so he handled discipline just fine.
2) Last year, Allen Robinson was signed as a FA player to be the disciplinarian because Frisman Jackson was terrible at it
3) During some unspecified season, the OL coach was relieved of his responsibilities of running the OL meetings...he was told to sit in the back of the room while Maurkice Pouncey ran the show.
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Hadn't seen, hadn't heard (but then I'm hardly Mr Plugged In). I'm reluctant to take DK on faith but it's stuff that sounds right. They absolutely got Robinson in to be a veteran leader and then replaced Jackson with a known disciplinarian, that's known. Everyone's speculated this is what it's been for a while anyway.

Which also all makes it good material for an unscrupulous writer looking to sell a story but I'm guessing there's at least some fire there. Maybe DK has magnifying the smoke, but got to believe there's some fire.
 
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I think the most interesting comments came from a visibly frustrated, but candid Najee Harris, who said that the guys have been saying things in the locker room that he didn’t necessarily want to say on camera, but that he felt like throughout the losing streak, a lot of guys were letting what the media was saying infiltrate the locker room and he wanted to see how they responded today," Rooks said.
 
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