OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: Oh no! They are 3 and 1. Panic!

Peat · 2024-10-17T11:39:07-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
I don't know who would fit it, but if I could pick, I'd target a physical blocking WR2 and a playmaker WR3 if I could go that route. Adding a prime Juju as their WR2 and Williams as their WR3 would be what I'd try to do, I just have no clue who that prime Juju is. They'd never in a million years trade him here, but Tee Higgins would look amazing in that WR2 spot.

Getting a cost controlled prime Juju with Pickens as your WR1 and WR2 and rotating lottery tickets (guys like Williams) or draft picks (guys like Austin and Wilson) in your WR3/4/5 slots is personally what I'd be trying to do with their WR room.

That sounds like something you attack in the draft, with the appendix that's what I thought they were trying to do with Roman Wilson.

edit: Only he's quite a small version of that who needs development, albeit with game breaking speed which is nice.

Empoleon8771 · 2024-10-17T11:41:07-0400

Peat said:
That sounds like something you attack in the draft, with the appendix that's what I thought they were trying to do with Roman Wilson.

Was Wilson that kind of guy in the draft? I knew he was a slot guy but he also ran a sub-4.4. I don’t know that he has the size to be an effective physical WR in the NFL.

Peat · 2024-10-17T12:00:26-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
Was Wilson that kind of guy in the draft? I knew he was a slot guy but he also ran a sub-4.4. I don’t know that he has the size to be an effective physical WR in the NFL.

I know he was talked up as an eager and effective blocker. Although whether the effective bit carries over to the NFL at his size is obviously an open question.

CheckingLineCenter · 2024-10-17T12:36:25-0400

Crazy Mike Williams is like a seasoned vet winding down his time in the league

Dude was a jump ball cheat code in the NCAA

MrBrightside · 2024-10-17T12:43:06-0400

MrBrightside · 2024-10-17T12:52:43-0400

Peat said:
If the team was getting two WRs, I'd take Miles Boykin over Williams. I know that's crazy, but this team needs a WR that can block more than it needs another guy who runs deep over and over.

The absolute last thing this offense needs is another WR that can't get open.

Empoleon8771 · 2024-10-17T13:07:01-0400

Peat said:
I know he was talked up as an eager and effective blocker. Although whether the effective bit carries over to the NFL at his size is obviously an open question.

Yeah he's an eager blocker but I think he'll ultimately have to move to the outside, or at least he won't be an effective blocking slot guy. I personally do not think he has the size you want out of an ideal slot WR and his speed makes him fit a lot more on the outside.

My ideal WR group is built something like:

WR1: All around good WR (Aiyuk)
WR2: Physical WR (Higgins)
WR3: Speedster WR (Worthy)
WR4: Speedy gadget WR (I like Austin for this role tbh)
WR5: Veteran physical/blocking WR (Boyd but worse)

I think Pickens fits that WR1 spot (if he matures) and they obviously have Austin, but they really need that physical WR2 and speedster WR3. I think Wilson could become that speedster WR3, but that would probably require him moving to the outside.

Peat · 2024-10-17T13:07:21-0400

https://x.com/i/web/status/1846942269422948495

For those who can't be arsed to listen, Smith answers the question about what Wilson will bring by waffling on a bit then talking about how Fields has been good and they're winning.

But I for one think that the OC having a bit of a public sulk over the likely QB sulk is just fine and dandy.

bigdaddyk88 · 2024-10-17T13:11:35-0400

Peat said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1846942269422948495

For those who can't be arsed to listen, Smith answers the question about what Wilson will bring by waffling on a bit then talking about how Fields has been good and they're winning.

But I for one think that the OC having a bit of a public sulk over the likely QB sulk is just fine and dandy.

I think it’s fairly obvious that he wants Fields to start but Tomlin is trying to see if RW can actually win a playoff game

Empoleon8771 · 2024-10-17T13:13:39-0400

bigdaddyk88 said:
I think it’s fairly obvious that he wants Fields to start but Tomlin is trying to see if RW can actually win a playoff game

Which is pretty inexcusable from Tomlin if the OC is saying "the best way to run this offense is with Fields as the QB". Not to mention all of the murmurs coming out that a lot of people are unhappy Fields is being benched.

Tomlin going rogue and making a move that a ton of others in the organization don't agree with is a bad look from him.

WickedWrister · 2024-10-17T13:17:29-0400

Hard not to root for Fields with quotes like this

xlm34 · 2024-10-17T13:22:42-0400

Peat said:
https://x.com/i/web/status/1846942269422948495

For those who can't be arsed to listen, Smith answers the question about what Wilson will bring by waffling on a bit then talking about how Fields has been good and they're winning.

But I for one think that the OC having a bit of a public sulk over the likely QB sulk is just fine and dandy.

Ok yeah so that totally answers any of my skepticism over this not being a unanimous decision.

Peat · 2024-10-17T13:33:25-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
Yeah he's an eager blocker but I think he'll ultimately have to move to the outside, or at least he won't be an effective blocking slot guy. I personally do not think he has the size you want out of an ideal slot WR and his speed makes him fit a lot more on the outside.

My ideal WR group is built something like:

WR1: All around good WR (Aiyuk)
WR2: Physical WR (Higgins)
WR3: Speedster WR (Worthy)
WR4: Speedy gadget WR (I like Austin for this role tbh)
WR5: Veteran physical/blocking WR (Boyd but worse)

I think Pickens fits that WR1 spot (if he matures) and they obviously have Austin, but they really need that physical WR2 and speedster WR3. I think Wilson could become that speedster WR3, but that would probably require him moving to the outside.

As long as this team wants to be run heavy, I want 4/5 WRs to be plus blockers. If Wilson can't be a physical blocking slot because of his size, I don't want him and Austin to both be on the team. They probably need to upgrade the TE room too.

But we'll see it when Wilson gets a few more snaps on video. I think right now the only snap I know of where Wilson played was that Harris run where he ran through half the Raiders team.

Empoleon8771 said:
Which is pretty inexcusable from Tomlin if the OC is saying "the best way to run this offense is with Fields as the QB". Not to mention all of the murmurs coming out that a lot of people are unhappy Fields is being benched.

Tomlin going rogue and making a move that a ton of others in the organization don't agree with is a bad look from him.

I personally have no problem with Tomlin overruling a co-ordinator. I don't think a head coach can go rogue on this issue. He's the one who gets it in the neck if the wrong guy is in, and he's the one who is setting the ultimate strategy for the team on the field, and that gives him the right and responsibility to say "this is the guy".

But not being able to carry the OC with him on this decision is alarming.

xlm34 said:
Ok yeah so that totally answers any of my skepticism over this not being a unanimous decision.

It's good to have clarity :laugh:

My question is how deep it goes. The moment the stories dropped I thought of Smith, because he really supported Fields, and Sadowski, their Director of Player Scouting, who was Director of College Scouting back when the Bears drafted Fields.

But Sadowski is in Pittsburgh because he first worked with Khan at Tulane in the 90s. So is Sadowski in Khan's ear in favour of Fields? Because that'd be real messy if this doesn't go well...

bigdaddyk88 · 2024-10-17T13:34:50-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
Which is pretty inexcusable from Tomlin if the OC is saying "the best way to run this offense is with Fields as the QB". Not to mention all of the murmurs coming out that a lot of people are unhappy Fields is being benched.

Tomlin going rogue and making a move that a ton of others in the organization don't agree with is a bad look from him.

It might be a bad look but Fields is closer to Daniel Jones as a passer than Hurts or Jackson. The goal is to win in the playoffs. He knows theres a ceiling with Fields

Empoleon8771 · 2024-10-17T13:35:51-0400

bigdaddyk88 said:
It might be a bad look but Fields is closer to Daniel Jones as a passer than Hurts or Jackson. The goal is to win in the playoffs. He knows theres a ceiling with Fields

Uh, are you implying that Russel Wilson is somehow closer to Hurts or Jackson?

ImporterExporter · 2024-10-17T13:41:44-0400

News Alert!

Mike Tomlin was told by a lot of football people that benching Fields is a dumb idea. He's doing it anyway.

Keep that fist clenched Mike. You f***ing farce.

bigdaddyk88 · 2024-10-17T13:41:49-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
Uh, are you implying that Russel Wilson is somehow closer to Hurts or Jackson?

No i am implying that you’re not winning a playoff game with Fields at Qb. Wilson gives them a chance

ImporterExporter said:
News Alert!

Mike Tomlin was told by a lot of football people that benching Fields is a dumb idea. He's doing it anyway.

Keep that fist clenched Mike. You f***ing farce.

It’s actually split some minds think it’s better we will see

Empoleon8771 · 2024-10-17T13:51:18-0400

bigdaddyk88 said:
No i am implying that you’re not winning a playoff game with Fields at Qb. Wilson gives them a chance

Since the Steelers last playoff win, Wilson is 1-4 in the playoffs with 7 TDs, 3 INTs and a 59% completion% while his team averaged 20 points a game.

bigdaddyk88 · 2024-10-17T14:03:12-0400

Empoleon8771 said:
Since the Steelers last playoff win, Wilson is 1-4 in the playoffs with 7 TDs, 3 INTs and a 59% completion% while his team averaged 20 points a game.

i said chance. Fields is struggling with zone and cover 3 still he is leaving points on the board. Fields is about 3 more starts from costing them a 4th

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