OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[Buddy Bizarre]

1. Keep the failed coach, check
2. Mangle the development of young players on the O line, check
3. Unable to draft or develop any QB option, check
4. Mediocre draft results, check
5. Inability to develop a long term strategy for success in modern day football, check
6. Ownership that is timid, gets poor marks from players, check

Steelers are on a roll…love the 4th through 6th round comp pick strategy for next year…

I don't know what happens with Fautanu, but the guy looked good in his brief time last year for a rookie. I don't trust the team to coach him up.

I'm also rather amused that they're moving Jones to LT. It seems like a desperation move to justify the draft pick they used on him more than being based on anything he's, you know, done as a pro.

I loath the fact that they are just handing him that spot. I fail to comprehend how players respect Tomlin given the way he plays favorites and refuses to admit his mistakes. It's becoming the offensive line version of Devin Bush here.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'm still holding out hope that they bring Wilson back and just trade for Milton as his backup. I'm skeptical Milton has any sort of starter's potential, but for what he'd cost, what's really the downside? Throw a 4th or 5th and see if there's anything there, if not oh well you traded a 4th or 5th for a backup QB.

That said, I've become less hateful of the Rodgers idea after sleeping on it. This is a major if, but if he can just shut up and be a good soldier for a year, it's whatever. I don't think he's anything better than Wilson, and I'd still rather keep Wilson if you're picking one, but I can at least tolerate it if the team thinks Wilson cannot come back and Rodgers will behave for a year.

 

[OnMyOwn]

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

1. Keep the failed coach, check
2. Mangle the development of young players on the O line, check
3. Unable to draft or develop any QB option, check
4. Mediocre draft results, check
5. Inability to develop a long term strategy for success in modern day football, check
6. Ownership that is timid, gets poor marks from players, check

Steelers are on a roll…love the 4th through 6th round comp pick strategy for next year…

Just heard the Steelers thought Fields would come back on a “Tomlin Discount”.

They are truly delusional and out of touch with reality.

They couldn’t have mangled the most important position in football any worse.

It’s gotten so bad that losing Justin Fields of all people is a crisis for the org that made them look stupid.

The saddest part is fans/media who blame Roth’s retirement- as if they couldn’t have had a succession plan because “Ben would get mad!”

Wtf?

The Packers have had a succession plan since I was a kid…

Majowski-Favre-Rodgers-Love

They didn’t care that Favre whined about Rodgers and Rodgers whined about Love.

That doesn’t mean I’ll be watching because I want them to win though.

 

[xlm34]

I basically hate every opinion Aaron Rodgers has outside of football but I think the circus would kind of be entertaining. If I’m gonna have to watch some geriatric QBs try to play, I’d like to see some fireworks somewhere rather than the “Things are great and we’re gonna win the Super Bowl even though we just got dog walked four straight games” thing we got from Russ.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

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So the Giants and Steelers are in the mix for Russ and Rodgers.

I really really hope NY signs Rodgers and someone like Tennessee signs Russ. I just want to watch them to sign someone hilarious like Winston or trade for Kirk and then play mental gymnastics to try to convince the fans that this was their master plan all along.

This org deserves to implode hard and I'm here for it. That'll be the only way they make changes.

I suppose they could do something unexpected that could convince me that they have a solid plan but I can't even think of what that could be. Maybe finding a way to get Dart without spending a first on him, but they traded their second already so I dunno.

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Danny Derps is getting $14 million, I feel like Wilson and Rodgers should be at about $30 million.

 

[Khelandros]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If Danny Derps is getting $14 million, I feel like Wilson and Rodgers should be at about $30 million.

Neither need the money but i would offer the same 2/30 20 million guaranteed we offered JF

 

[Andy99]

If Danny Derps is getting $14 million, I feel like Wilson and Rodgers should be at about $30 million.

Rodgers looks like he’s getting $40M per lol

 

[Peat]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

I'd say it's debatable that Rodgers had a better season than Wilson. Same TD%, higher INT%, slightly lower completion percentage, less yards per attempt. And at 41 you've really got to wonder how much is left.

Not that I'd care myself about. But there's a football argument to be made. Certainly at most the best of a bad bunch.

 

[WickedWrister]

Heming and hawing on this.

On the one hand, Atlanta taking Penix is a good reason to push back on the idea they're definitely out, as people thought the Falcons were definitely out and absolutely weren't.

But the Falcons couldn't control getting a QB when they signed Cousins.

The Browns can. If they think Ward and Sanders are worth taking, they can get a QB.

I think you can create a convincing narrative that the Browns are thinking of drafting a franchise QB and want a better back-up than DTR for that (who they only thought of as a 3rd choice last season anyway). Pickett doesn't have a ton of NFL experience to pass on, but he's been through some real highs and lows in his time and knows the AFC North as well as any QB they could acquire. He knows what the pressure of being a 1st rounder is like, he knows what it's like for it to be going bad, and he knows what the work habits of a SB champion QB look like. I don't think anyone's complained about his work ethic, he'll provide a good example there, and he can be a better stop-gap buffer between a guy and starting than DTR. He's also very cheap this year which helps the Browns.

And... I don't really have a counter to that. Sure, Pickett as a stop-gap scratch-off player makes a bunch of sense also, but I just can't think of an argument that the Browns absolutely wouldn't take a QB. Trading for Pickett is not much different than signing Brissett or Andy Dalton or any other number of guys who've arrived to help a QB settle in; little less veteran and that's it really.

The real question is whether the Browns think Sanders is legit (and whether the Sanders camp would throw a strop over Cleveland) compared to their pick of Carter and Hunter.

I don't know, I'm obviously not a Browns fan but I feel like taking Shedeur Sanders 1.02 is just so plainly a reach that even Cleveland can see how stupid that would be. They just got that extension done with Garrett so I would assume edge rusher is no longer the #1 priority. Travis Hunter is the no brainer pick.

 

[Snooki Stackhouse]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

He's the best option and I think the Giants are going to offer more but the problems are age and cost.

They balked at giving Fields 20 million but are going to maybe give Rodgers 45? It doesn't make any sense!

 

[Empoleon8771]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

From Wilson's first game to the end of the season:

• Completion%: 63.7% for Wilson, 63.8% for Rodgers
• TDs: 19 for Rodgers, 16 for Wilson
• INTs: 6 for Rodgers, 5 for Wilson
• Yards/game: 228 for Rodgers, 226 for Wilson
• Y/A: 6.8 for Rodgers, 7.4 for Wilson
• AY/A: 7.14 for Rodgers, 7.67 for Wilson
• Passer rating: 94.2 for Rodgers, 95.6 for Wilson

It's a lateral move while Rodgers has significantly bigger issues than Wilson does. This isn't even about his political stance, it's that he demands to play GM on any team he's on and he's an asshole that will go on Pat McAfee's show to shit talk his teammates.

I don't care about the politics whatsoever, a huge majority of NFL players have politics I disagree with and are just not vocal about it. If Rodgers would behave, I'd be fine with him coming in. He's not a good QB anymore but he's at least okay. The issues I have with bringing him in are related to him being a cancer that causes issues on any team he plays for.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

I think he’s a major douche, but I don’t care who they bring in.

Rodgers is an absolute statue now that doesn’t want to take a hit, so their line better be dominant.

Bringing in a guy who will be 42 by seasons end is actually ideal for what I want - Ie they will have no delusions he’s the future.

With Fields they could have wasted another 2-3 seasons getting teased by his talent.

Rodgers is just another version of Wilson with a better arm and way less mobility.

If things go south next season, having AR, Pickens and Metcalf all under one roof will be a massive powder keg - and I’m NGL, I’m hoping it goes off in Tomlin and AR2’s smug faces.

 

[Peat]

I don't know, I'm obviously not a Browns fan but I feel like taking Shedeur Sanders 1.02 is just so plainly a reach that even Cleveland can see how stupid that would be. They just got that extension done with Garrett so I would assume edge rusher is no longer the #1 priority. Travis Hunter is the no brainer pick.

I've seen a few Browns fans saying that Carter is too small to play OLB on run downs for them too so yeah, Hunter, who they apparently see as the WR they need.

Still, always hard predicting exactly how teams feel like QBs. It seems like it'd be shocking, but not surprising, if that makes sense.

 

[xlm34]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

I think both Rodgers and Wilson had stats that don’t reflect how poorly they played. Both are a shell of what they were. Wilson has a better deep ball that I think plays better with the receivers, but can’t read a defense and holds on to the ball forever. Rodgers can still read a defense and get the ball out quick which is better for the line but he doesn’t like throwing deep. Both cause problems from a personality standpoint.

So it’s pick your poison on who you want to waste a season with.

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Rodgers losing his mind with Arthur Smith not shifting to the West Coast offense. Throw in some conflict with Tomlin and the season would be hilarious

Russ is just corny. Rodgers is a much better villain

I’m rooting for Rodgers for entertainments sake at this point

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

Rodgers is an absolute statute. And we may be running out the 2 worst starting OT's in football- that's a bad combo

Rodgers is absolutely cooked. He had an ok enough WR and skill position group last year and didn't do much with it.

I mean if you're bringing in Rodgers, you'll need to expect 2021 Ben performance.

 

[Pens x]

It seems so long since we’ve had a really good qb.

 

[Khelandros]

Rodgers is an absolute statute. And we may be running out the 2 worst starting OT's in football- that's a bad combo

Rodgers is absolutely cooked. He had an ok enough WR and skill position group last year and didn't do much with it.

I mean if you're bringing in Rodgers, you'll need to expect 2021 Ben performance.

I have no problem with a 2021 performance comparable considering WR1/2 this season is miles better than WR1/2 of 2021.

 

[Gold Diamond]

I have no problem with a 2021 performance comparable considering WR1/2 this season is miles better than WR1/2 of 2021.

I'd rather have Russ because he's younger, but we either need to draft a QB soon or trade for a project. Can't leave this position up in the air.

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I have no problem with a 2021 performance comparable considering WR1/2 this season is miles better than WR1/2 of 2021.

You can probably also expect GP to try and kill AR in the middle of a game.
Rodgers has no qualms about calling out WRs to the media - even if they weren't at fault and it was AR's screw up.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I'd rather have Russ because he's younger, but we either need to draft a QB soon or trade for a project. Can't leave this position up in the air.

I think they trade for Milton this off-season and are accruing picks in 2026 to have ammo to trade up to get their real QB of the future next year.

From a football playing perspective, I don't mind Rodgers starting and Milton sitting as the backup and possibly getting a look if Rodgers is completely done. It's the circus that comes with Rodgers that I have an issue with.

 

[pistolpete11]

Outside of A-Arons opinions away from football, what is everyones actual issue with him? He put a better season last year than Fields and Wilson combined.

Well, his views away from football are still a valid reason to not like him, but he's going to be 42 years old, hasn't had a good season in 3 years, throws his teammates under the bus in the media, meddles in the front office, general sense of arrogance.

What is there to like about him?