OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: No 3peat for the Swifts

[WickedWrister]

I hope that Andy Weidl is the voice of reason and that his experience in Philly (who hasn't drafted a RB in the 1st round since the 1980's) is somewhat emulated here. Since he's been here there's clearly been an emphasis on building the trenches and I want that to continue if the board works out for us this year.

 

[Peat]

I think the only reason he could possibly last would be the reason people wouldn’t be happy if he’s the pick. It’s a non premium position in a draft with a lot of good depth.

I didn’t look at the whole list of who interviewed him, but the Raiders, Cowboys, and Broncos seem like some realistic landing spots. 6 seems kind of rich but it’s kind of a shitty draft for high end talent so we may see some weird stuff happen.

No Cowboys, no Raiders. Which may or may not mean anything.

I think I'd still expect him to go before the Steelers' pick but that interview list is making me look at that expectation again.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I hope that Andy Weidl is the voice of reason and that his experience in Philly (who hasn't drafted a RB in the 1st round since the 1980's) is somewhat emulated here. Since he's been here there's clearly been an emphasis on building the trenches and I want that to continue if the board works out for us this year.

They just waited until Barkley hit free agency. I fully expect DL to be the focus

 

[UnrealMachine]

NFL team submits proposal to ban the 'tush push'

The play, made most famous by the Philadelphia Eagles, is a short-yardage quarterback sneak in which he's shoved forward by teammates from behind.

www.nbcnews.com

Beyond this play, ban all of the linemen pushing ball carriers forward. This has run rampant since the Matt Leinart/Reggie Bush push for USC 20 years ago.

You're a ball carrier or you're a blocker. You can't be a pusher. This isn't rugby. The play Philly dominates with is egregious, but the 8 yard gains becoming 12 yard gains because 330 lb linemen push the ballcarrier against 220 lb safeties is absurd. Get rid of all of it.
I'm not trying to nullify how great Philly is, that they were clearly within the rules, etc. This play just makes football worse.

I am 100% for banning the shove/pushing. Within the existing framework of the rules, it is analogous to the competitive advantage gained with “leverage” - which is banned on special teams. I would also argue against it on safety grounds since it exacerbates the helmet-to-helmet collisions the NFL has been trying to lessen.

 

[Goalie_Bob]

No Cowboys, no Raiders. Which may or may not mean anything.

I think I'd still expect him to go before the Steelers' pick but that interview list is making me look at that expectation again.

That's just formal meetings at the combine. Until all of the teams have met players at the combine plus pro days plus had onsite visits can you determine if a team is interested or not.

 

[Peat]

That's just formal meetings at the combine. Until all of the teams have met players at the combine plus pro days plus had onsite visits can you determine if a team is interested or not.

Yeah, hence the may or may not. I'd have expected a bit more interest from some of the teams but there's a real good chance they tick the box later.

 

[Ulf5]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me what Tomlin does well outside of his press conferences.

People say "he's great with the players". Well why is there in-fighting or people doing/saying weird shit in the media or among teammates year after year?

Tomlin has the biggest grift going next to Mike Sullivan.

Of course he gets the label "great with the players". He gives them free roam. Invites them to his house for dinners. It's like a country club up in there. How many times have we heard of multiple players being late for meetings? Hell even late for games?? They all buddy buddy.
Try some of the shit you here Steelers get away with under Bellichek. Harrison told a story of Tom Brady running to get to a meeting because he was scared to be late. Let that sink in lol. Meanwhile Tomlin when asked recently if Pickens was late, laughed it off, says I don't remember and makes it all a big joke.

 

[Shaftception]

2019 only had 3 WR go in the top 50 (Hollywood, NKeal Harry, Deebo Samuel) but then a bunch of mid to late round picks panned out (AJB, DK Metcalf, Diontae, Terry McLaurin).

Man looking back...I remember a few people here really liked the Diontae pick because he was supposedly similar to AB back when the Steelers still had a reputation for being a wr factory. Looking at that list, especially the 4 in brackets, woof...what a punt by Colbert and co.

Also, I'll legit puke if they draft another runningback in the first round, I don't care who it is, that's such a win now luxury pick, even if whoever was the next coming of Saquon. I'm quite confident the next runningback they draft, regardless of round, won't be on the team the next time they actually compete for a Super Bowl. They don't even have Quarterback figured out yet for F's sake, and they're gonna waste another 5th year option on a damn runningback? Spare me.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Call me crazy, but I don't think secondary is his expertise. Even though he was a secondary coach. Tomlin played WR in high school and college. I think he is good talking about what receivers do but because he didn't play the defensive back position he isn't good at developing it.

But his experience is why he is good at selecting WRs.

You're correct, but it also gives you some insight to why this team has always had glaring holes during Tomlin's tenure. He is a master of nothing..........like Bradshaw stated, he's a glorified Cheerleader. His greatest skill is staying around .500 when other coaches would have bottomed out.

 

[TimmyD]

But it’s not how Tomlin wants to play football. He let Ben throw it all over under Hayley. When you have backup level Qbs your limited.

It’s exactly how Tomlin wants to play football. He wants a neutered offense that is low risk and doesn’t turn the ball over so his precious baby defense can close out games for them… except that his precious defense isn’t actually good enough to do that. But make no mistake about it, Mike Tomlin has no issues with how the Steelers play football offensively.

 

[ChaosAgent]

You're correct, but it also gives you some insight to why this team has always had glaring holes during Tomlin's tenure. He is a master of nothing..........like Bradshaw stated, he's a glorified Cheerleader. His greatest skill is staying around .500 when other coaches would have bottomed out.

The problem on the defensive side of the ball is he still thinks he can scheme. If he wanted to be Dan Campbell and leave it to the coordinators, he could do that successfully. But we have to pretend this guy can actually scheme at the top level. It's a farce.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

It’s exactly how Tomlin wants to play football. He wants a neutered offense that is low risk and doesn’t turn the ball over so his precious baby defense can close out games for them… except that his precious defense isn’t actually good enough to do that. But make no mistake about it, Mike Tomlin has no issues with how the Steelers play football offensively.

We saw this season Tomlin trusted RW to go win the game against the Bengals and he couldn’t get it done. He did lean on the defense more with JF under center

 

[Peat]

We saw this season Tomlin trusted RW to go win the game against the Bengals and he couldn’t get it done. He did lean on the defense more with JF under center

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Wilson threw a ton in the Bengals game they won. He noticeably didn't in the game they didn't.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

No one has a better grift than Tomlin.

At least Sullivan has done something in the last decade.



How many times do I have to point out the fact that Tomlin had a HOF QB and for a decade won three playoff games - two against backup QBs and one agt Alex Smith.

Roth was on a historical playoff pace until Cowher’s tree was gone.

Once Tomlin started hiring OCs, Roth’s playoff career nose dived.

Roth hated Haley’s offense and was vocal AF about it. Canada and Fichtner - lol.

It’s not a coincidence Roth was never the same QB again in the playoffs with the jokes Tomlin hired.

Just like it’s not a coincidence none of Tomlin’s OC’s have ever found work in the NFL again, save a half season stint in Cleveland before Haley got the boot.

Historical? Roethlisberger had 17 INTs in 14 games in the playoffs with Cowher's coaches. They did have a historically good defense for his first 8 years and when he didn't turn it over they usually made the Super Bowl.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

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Wilson threw a ton in the Bengals game they won. He noticeably didn't in the game they didn't.

He gave RW the ball with 2 plus minutes and a time out to get a fg and he couldn’t do it. The bengals took the dump offs away from RW that they gave him the 1st game and left the mof wide open because RW isn’t going to throw it there. Smith called multiple plays to attack the vacant spot the lb left when they took the dump offs away and RW never threw it

 

[MrBrightside]

He gave RW the ball with 2 plus minutes and a time out to get a fg and he couldn’t do it. The bengals took the dump offs away from RW that they gave him the 1st game and left the mof wide open because RW isn’t going to throw it there. Smith called multiple plays to attack the vacant spot the lb left when they took the dump offs away and RW never threw it

If all of these comments you make are true, you're highlighting the difference between Tomlin and a coach like Sean Payton. Tomlin will go down with the ship every time rather than admit he was wrong. Defending Tomlin by criticizing Wilson time and time again isn't the flex you think it is.

 

[JTG]

I am one of the people who thinks we should take Jeanty at 21 if he's there. I just see the potential. We immediately get an identity of how we are going to play football. I think he is generational. That's a big thing to throw on a prospect, but I think his skill is something we haven't seen since Saquon.

It's how he runs and how crazy strong he is on his feet. I also think he is very much like Najee where he is a ready made face and leader of the team right out of the box.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

If all of these comments you make are true, you're highlighting the difference between Tomlin and a coach like Sean Payton. Tomlin will go down with the ship every time rather than admit he was wrong. Defending Tomlin by criticizing Wilson time and time again isn't the flex you think it is.

Tomlin did go down with the ship. He literally was the last person on RW side heading into the playoffs. Tomlin does get in his own way often. It was his choice to go to RW and not once did he believe JF was a viable starter. He treated JF like a young backup qb
Now in negotiations Khan is trying to get JF back as cheap as possible I think they will have to pay him 2/30 based on Minishew 2/24. So they are using RW as leverage. JF agent had to go to the combine to see his potential market. RW needs to use the Steelers as leverage to avoid the journeyman tag of 3rd team in 3 seasons 1 year 10 million contract