OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 5 and 2 Justin who? Hand the Fields to Wilson

[T1K]

Don’t make me dig up all the posts about Jefferson and Watkins and every other jobber they signed being fine and they’d just throw more to Pickens and Friermuth.

He also said there was a 0% chance the Raiders would trade Davante Adams. Don’t bother pulling receipts on him he’ll move the goal posts

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Don’t make me dig up all the posts about Jefferson and Watkins and every other jobber they signed being fine and they’d just throw more to Pickens and Friermuth.

I did say i would target Pickens more. Heck yesterday 23 of 35 targets for hurts went to Aj and Smith i want that. They are 10th in scoring on offense

 

[bigdaddyk88]

He also said there was a 0% chance the Raiders would trade Davante Adams. Don’t bother pulling receipts on him he’ll move the goal posts

I literally said i wanted Aiyuk. I am glad we didn’t give up a 2nd for Adams. He and Rodgers are both trying to stick together for next season

Yeah like at worst I think he’d go as late as Rudolph did. Why not wait a year?

Even if he’s not great next year can see him getting into RD1.

He probably goes 2nd if he comes out right now based on Levis. I have seen some mocks say he could get to the 1st like JJ McCarthy but he needs to redshirt

 

[T1K]

I literally said i wanted Aiyuk. I am glad we didn’t give up a 2nd for Adams. He and Rodgers are both trying to stick together for next season

No you said Adams wouldn’t be traded because he wanted to play for Antonio Pierce

 

[MrBrightside]

I did say i would target Pickens more. Heck yesterday 23 of 35 targets for hurts went to Aj and Smith i want that. They are 10th in scoring on offense

And against playoff teams they can't score at all:

13 against Denver
20 against LAC
18 against Baltimore
13 against Philadelphia

You absolutely said Jefferson and Quez Watkins were fine as 2-3 WR's, but I know, you'll ignore and pivot and do anything to make Tomlin blameless. Hell, I'm more pro-Tomlin than most on here - I think on balance he's more good than bad - but your blind devotion to carrying his water at all times is just gross.

No you said Adams wouldn’t be traded because he wanted to play for Antonio Pierce

And that he played there in college, which he didn't.

 

[Peat]

I saw someone say this yesterday but right now this is an offense that’s not good at doing what they want their identity to be.

Hell no it isn't.

I'm now really curious as to what they'll do with the RB room. Obviously a big part of the rushing game's problems come down to predictability and a young OL, but you got to look at the RBs too. They've already indicated they ain't super jazzed about Harris returning and this season - big explosions against shit teams included - has kind of proven why. But they don't look thrilled about Warren either. He's not been as productive as last season, even if you remove all the injury hit games.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

No you said Adams wouldn’t be traded because he wanted to play for Antonio Pierce

Yes i did say that

 

[MrBrightside]

 

[Deport Ogie]

Allar coming back to PSU is absolutely the right move I think but with Warren gone they need to find him some weapons. They are hard in on a few WR in the portal and they need to hit on at least one and actually develop a few in the room. It's been the most glaring weakness on that offense.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I did say Jefferson and Watkins were good enough to be wr 3 on teams in the Super Bowl because they were in Philly or Rams respectively. I like ca3 as a wr 3 but it seems like him and wilson will be 2 guys 1 bone next camp

 

[WickedWrister]

GP wishes he was in that scrum so bad

 

[MrBrightside]

I think Allar is nuts going back to Penn State next year. This year's QB class is weak, the next good NFL QB that Franklin develops will be the first, the weapons he will have are, at least as of now, suspect, and you always run the risk of injury. I think on balance it's great that NIL is keeping players in college longer, but when you'd be at worst the 3rd QB taken in a league where 10+ teams need guys, it's a bad monetary decision. If anything, go into the portal - Ohio State or Georgia or Alabama would throw a ton of money at him and would almost certainly develop him better than Franklin.

 

[xlm34]

Hell no it isn't.

I'm now really curious as to what they'll do with the RB room. Obviously a big part of the rushing game's problems come down to predictability and a young OL, but you got to look at the RBs too. They've already indicated they ain't super jazzed about Harris returning and this season - big explosions against shit teams included - has kind of proven why. But they don't look thrilled about Warren either. He's not been as productive as last season, even if you remove all the injury hit games.

I’m guessing Warren basically maintains his current role and they draft a RB relatively early to replace Harris. Fingers crossed that Patterson is not part of their plan.

Maybe a slight overhaul of the room will help a bit but I really don’t know. I don’t think Smith is really going to change his approach in the run game plan, but I’m also just not sure how good this line is at doing what he wants them to do. Like these toss plays are something that the line doesn’t seem capable of blocking correctly. The one time it worked was the Raiders game when Harris made a bunch of guys miss in the backfield.

 

[WickedWrister]

 

[Peat]

I’m guessing Warren basically maintains his current role and they draft a RB relatively early to replace Harris. Fingers crossed that Patterson is not part of their plan.

Maybe a slight overhaul of the room will help a bit but I really don’t know. I don’t think Smith is really going to change his approach in the run game plan, but I’m also just not sure how good this line is at doing what he wants them to do. Like these toss plays are something that the line doesn’t seem capable of blocking correctly. The one time it worked was the Raiders game when Harris made a bunch of guys miss in the backfield.

Well that's the big one. They're just too green to grasp it. Much as I give the Steelers stick for painting the barn red and not being willing to take some lumps to set up something ambitious from the start, this is an area where I think they should be a bit less adventurous.

But regardless, I still wonder if they'll overhaul it a lot. I always thought it a given they'd keep Warren given his yardage and his RFA tender being quite reasonable, but now I feel less sure. He just doesn't feel like Smith's guy. Wouldn't be the first dramatic overhaul Khan has done.

 

[WickedWrister]

I think Allar is nuts going back to Penn State next year. This year's QB class is weak, the next good NFL QB that Franklin develops will be the first, the weapons he will have are, at least as of now, suspect, and you always run the risk of injury. I think on balance it's great that NIL is keeping players in college longer, but when you'd be at worst the 3rd QB taken in a league where 10+ teams need guys, it's a bad monetary decision. If anything, go into the portal - Ohio State or Georgia or Alabama would throw a ton of money at him and would almost certainly develop him better than Franklin.

Depends what kind of grade he's getting from the college advisory committee and or his agent. I do not think he was consensus QB3 and a top 10ish pick. If he was more like QB5 this year, maybe a late 1st/early 2nd round pick, he can certainly improve on that by going back another year and improving his stock. Just last year we saw this play out with Penix and Nix who were in school for 6 and 5 years, respectively.

QB's have a longer shelf life so staying in school for an extra year to develop can sometimes be beneficial. Most other positions I would agree with you though, especially RB's.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I’m guessing Warren basically maintains his current role and they draft a RB relatively early to replace Harris. Fingers crossed that Patterson is not part of their plan.

Maybe a slight overhaul of the room will help a bit but I really don’t know. I don’t think Smith is really going to change his approach in the run game plan, but I’m also just not sure how good this line is at doing what he wants them to do. Like these toss plays are something that the line doesn’t seem capable of blocking correctly. The one time it worked was the Raiders game when Harris made a bunch of guys miss in the backfield.

I don’t think they draft a rb early. I thought for sure they would give Warren the 2nd round tender before the season but it’s obvious they don’t see him as anything more than a compliment back. He is like chris brown in Cincinnati.
I believe they invest in wr though in Tennessee Smith had Davis and AJ Brown. GP is AJ light

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

The defence was on the field for 14:48 in the first half, with most of the time loaded towards the first quarter, thanks to a six and a half minute drive by the Steelers. The defence has zero excuses for exhaustion going into the second half.

Then the Eagles open up the second half with a 7 minute drive in which they escape a 2 and 20 on the 7th play. If the defence want to be off the field to rest their legs, then they can't let that happen. That is the moment they need to be able to save themselves. And it didn't happen.

Then, yeah, the plan isn't for Harris to fumble and put the defence back on after 2 minutes. But I'm not expecting the defence to be dead on its feet after playing, what, 22 minutes about 10 minutes into the 3rd. But instead it's another 6 minutes and a touchdown.

I guess it's fair to say maybe they're pretty tired by the time of that last backbreaking drive where the Eagles just go for 10 minutes. And maybe pretty demoralised.

But the defence had their chance to keep time of possession less lopsided and didn't take it, and they're meant to be the side of the ball that rescues the day.

Again, it's a team game. I'm not going to single out either offensive or defensive unit.

The defense got early turnovers and it was the offense's job to convert that and change the tenor of the game early.

Then the defense couldn't get off the field to get the offense the ball. It's a symbiotic relationship.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Depends what kind of grade he's getting from the college advisory committee and or his agent. I do not think he was consensus QB3 and a top 10ish pick. If he was more like QB5 this year, maybe a late 1st/early 2nd round pick, he can certainly improve on that by going back another year and improving his stock. Just last year we saw this play out with Penix and Nix who were in school for 6 and 5 years, respectively.

QB's have a longer shelf life so staying in school for an extra year to develop can sometimes be beneficial. Most other positions I would agree with you though, especially RB's.

Reports say Ewers got 4 million from Michigan State to transfer from Texas I would imagine that Allar is getting that to stick around. I saw an interview with Manziel saying he would have stayed in college collecting NIl because he would have made more money than in the nfl if you didn’t get a 2nd contract

 

[Buddy Bizarre]

I don’t think they draft a rb early. I thought for sure they would give Warren the 2nd round tender before the season but it’s obvious they don’t see him as anything more than a compliment back. He is like chris brown in Cincinnati.
I believe they invest in wr though in Tennessee Smith had Davis and AJ Brown. GP is AJ light

First two picks will be Dline and WR is my prediction (not in that order necessarily).

 

[bigdaddyk88]

First two picks will be Dline and WR is my prediction (not in that order necessarily).

It might be cb instead of Wr but yes that’s probably a good possibility

 

[Goalie_Bob]

I think Allar is nuts going back to Penn State next year. This year's QB class is weak, the next good NFL QB that Franklin develops will be the first, the weapons he will have are, at least as of now, suspect, and you always run the risk of injury. I think on balance it's great that NIL is keeping players in college longer, but when you'd be at worst the 3rd QB taken in a league where 10+ teams need guys, it's a bad monetary decision. If anything, go into the portal - Ohio State or Georgia or Alabama would throw a ton of money at him and would almost certainly develop him better than Franklin.

Totally disagree except on transferring to a better QB school. Allar will easily make more money in college than he would his first couple seasons in the NFL, and his long term goal should be to get picked high in the draft and have a long career.

He was at best a 2nd rounder this season. Most reports stated he was a 3-4th rounder. Just because he may be the 3rd best QB prospect in this class doesn't mean he is 1st rounder.

But regardless, I still wonder if they'll overhaul it a lot. I always thought it a given they'd keep Warren given his yardage and his RFA tender being quite reasonable, but now I feel less sure. He just doesn't feel like Smith's guy. Wouldn't be the first dramatic overhaul Khan has done.

Yeah, I am not as high on Warren as I was last offseason. He has been hurt and he hasn't looked as good. I think they will try to resign Warren, but I'm not sure they will even offer the ROFR RFA tender of 3.185mil. There are just so many good RBs out there.

 

[MrBrightside]

Totally disagree except on transferring to a better QB school. Allar will easily make more money in college than he would his first couple seasons in the NFL, and his long term goal should be to get picked high in the draft and have a long career.

He was at best a 2nd rounder this season. Most reports stated he was a 3-4th rounder. Just because he may be the 3rd best QB prospect in this class doesn't mean he is 1st rounder.

I just don't think that's the case:



Given how many teams need QB's - NYJ, NYG, NO, LV, CLE, IND, TEN - and how few FA options there are out there, I think he'd likely have gone top 15-20 by the time it's all over. No one had Nix or Penix as top 15 picks in December last year either and QB's tend to move up due to the scarcity.

But yes, if it's true he wouldn't have gone until the 2nd or 3rd round, he probably makes more staying in school. But he's has to get out of State College - you can make more and develop better somewhere else.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I just don't think that's the case:



Given how many teams need QB's - NYJ, NYG, NO, LV, CLE, IND, TEN - and how few FA options there are out there, I think he'd likely have gone top 15-20 by the time it's all over. No one had Nix or Penix as top 15 picks in December last year either and QB's tend to move up due to the scarcity.

But yes, if it's true he wouldn't have gone until the 2nd or 3rd round, he probably makes more staying in school. But he's has to get out of State College - you can make more and develop better somewhere else.

He is banking on getting development from Danny obrien his QB coach and Andy his oc. Franklin wants him to lose another 10 pounds to so he can continue getting 3 1st downs a game with his legs. He doesn’t really want a big city distraction he likes the small town life in college. They have told him they will get him wr in the portal

 

[Peat]

Yeah, I am not as high on Warren as I was last offseason. He has been hurt and he hasn't looked as good. I think they will try to resign Warren, but I'm not sure they will even offer the ROFR RFA tender of 3.185mil. There are just so many good RBs out there.

I mean that is chump change in the NFL. But at the same time there's so many good RBs that if you think there's other guys who fit your style better, why hang around?