OT: The Pittsburgher Thread: 2022 Handball season has arrived!

[bigdaddyk88]

I know it’s still early, but regardless of the shitty coaching staff etc, I’m not seeing anything special about Pickett that gives me hope he can be a franchise QB

Special I just want Cincinnati Dalton by year 2

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Pickett certainly has not shown what many of us hoped despite being handcuffed by some crappy coaching and supporting cast. He deserves his share of the arrows aimed at the worst offense in the NFL.

All the more reason to root full tank.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

I've already littered this thread with articles and quotes stating such so no need to repeat myself.

I guess read better?

I just dont trust your judgement and im certainly not looking through hundreds of pages to come up with the same lame “wouldnt watch tape with harris” argument for critically impaired.

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

I know it’s still early, but regardless of the shitty coaching staff etc, I’m not seeing anything special about Pickett that gives me hope he can be a franchise QB

Lucky for you we'll have a TOP 3 pick!

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Pickett certainly has not shown what many of us hoped despite being handcuffed by some crappy coaching and supporting cast. He deserves his share of the arrows aimed at the worst offense in the NFL.

All the more reason to root full tank.

I’m not sure what people hoped for, but you would have to be borderline delusional to think a rookie QB and the worst OC in modern franchise history was going to go well.

The writing was always on the wall it was going to be ugly, but it’s still amusing some people couldn’t put 1+1 together and are so distressed about it.

You mean the guy who has no idea how to design an NFL offense or call plays and the guy who is learning to read NFL defenses are a bad combination?

That’s so bizarre! I thought they were the perfect marriage!

 

[ZorkEnchanter]

I’m not sure what people hoped for, but you would have to be borderline delusional to think a rookie QB and the worst OC in modern franchise history was going to go well.

The writing was always on the wall it was going to be ugly, but it’s still amusing some people couldn’t put 1+1 together and are so distressed about it.

You mean the guy who has no idea how to design an NFL offense or call plays and the guy who is learning to read NFL defenses are a bad combination?

That’s so bizarre! I thought they were the perfect marriage!

Yeah, I always question what ppl are thinking... not sure if you can make any player evaluations with this coaching staff.

I look at those videos on the Chiefs/Dolphins offense and it's legit crazy how bad our offensive sets, route combinations, and play calls are. Nobody on this offensive staff is good.... hell barely any of the defensive staff can make a gameplan.

Crazy thing is... Tomlin will be right back next year... hell, we might even have Canada back.

 

[Night Shift]

I just dont trust your judgement and im certainly not looking through hundreds of pages to come up with the same lame “wouldnt watch tape with harris” argument for critically impaired.

Critically impaired?

You'd still be here massaging those same balls on a 30 game losing streak.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Special I just want Cincinnati Dalton by year 2

I'd settle for Taylor Heinicke. Which is a potential KP outcome.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

I’m not sure what people hoped for, but you would have to be borderline delusional to think a rookie QB and the worst OC in modern franchise history was going to go well.

The writing was always on the wall it was going to be ugly, but it’s still amusing some people couldn’t put 1+1 together and are so distressed about it.

You mean the guy who has no idea how to design an NFL offense or call plays and the guy who is learning to read NFL defenses are a bad combination?

That’s so bizarre! I thought they were the perfect marriage!

Canada offense looks like a Walsh offense compared to Indy and Denver offense and they don’t have rookie QBs. The jets locker room is ready to move on from Wilson.
Kenny was drafted because he was the most pro ready Qb who spent years in a pro system under whipple.
Again Tua mastered the RPo and has helped with his lack of deep ball Mac jones getting by with anticipation and making the read fast no great arm talent. KP has regressed since he took over. He is gun shy staring down his primary target and doesn’t give his guys a chance to make plays. Where’s the back shoulder throws to GP

I'd settle for Taylor Heinicke. Which is a potential KP outcome.

Yeah I have come way down from rookie Mac jones Tua Carr cousin and Dak pre Dre draft to Daniel Jones Heinicke Alex Smith
Let’s just get to mason and Duck 2019 and go fr there

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Yeah, I always question what ppl are thinking... not sure if you can make any player evaluations with this coaching staff.

I look at those videos on the Chiefs/Dolphins offense and it's legit crazy how bad our offensive sets, route combinations, and play calls are. Nobody on this offensive staff is good.... hell barely any of the defensive staff can make a gameplan.

Crazy thing is... Tomlin will be right back next year... hell, we might even have Canada back.

People just can’t deal with adversity and throw little hissy fits - it’s entertaining, for me at least.

I see on the all-22 a guy that’s getting better, and he’s still learning what NFL open is. That takes a lot of time.

He’s making smart decisions not to do stupid shit anymore, and that is one of the first things I was hoping to see.

He’s also identified who his best receivers are Pickens/Muth and building chemistry with them. He’s smart enough to know DJ is unreliable and not giving him many looks.

I could do without the 6-7 worm burners and wtf throws every game, but whatever.

Anytime he builds some momentum something always happens, he throws a bad pass, Canada calls something stupid or they take a couple bad penalties in a row.

That’s how dysfunctional offenses go and that isn’t changing anytime soon - one guy is going to still be raw and the other is going to remain a shitty OC.

Canada offense looks like a Walsh offense compared to Indy and Denver offense and they don’t have rookie QBs. The jets locker room is ready to move on from Wilson.
Kenny was drafted because he was the most pro ready Qb who spent years in a pro system under whipple.
Again Tua mastered the RPo and has helped with his lack of deep ball Mac jones getting by with anticipation and making the read fast no great arm talent. KP has regressed since he took over. He is gun shy staring down his primary target and doesn’t give his guys a chance to make plays. Where’s the back shoulder throws to GP


Yeah I have come way down from rookie Mac jones Tua Carr cousin and Dak pre Dre draft to Daniel Jones Heinicke Alex Smith
Let’s just get to mason and Duck 2019 and go fr there

Well then Tomlin f***ed up drafting him.

Move along.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Yeah I have come way down from rookie Mac jones Tua Carr cousin and Dak pre Dre draft to Daniel Jones Heinicke Alex Smith
Let’s just get to mason and Duck 2019 and go fr there

Let's also get Matt Canada to Randy Finchtner levels and then maybe he'll get a job as OC for Virginia or Akron or something next year.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I’m not sure what people hoped for, but you would have to be borderline delusional to think a rookie QB and the worst OC in modern franchise history was going to go well.

The writing was always on the wall it was going to be ugly, but it’s still amusing some people couldn’t put 1+1 together and are so distressed about it.

You mean the guy who has no idea how to design an NFL offense or call plays and the guy who is learning to read NFL defenses are a bad combination?

That’s so bizarre! I thought they were the perfect marriage!

Certainly Canada makes KP's, or any quarterback's, job exponentially harder. And a rookie is going to make mistakes.

However, that does not give KP a complete pass. I hoped to see a bit more despite the challenges.

Can he grow? Certainly. But you can still judge to a degree.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

Let's also get Matt Canada to Randy Finchtner levels and then maybe he'll get a job as OC for Virginia or Akron or something next year.

The offense scored 30 points with the Qb missing wide open guys tonight. He had Muth open over the middle and missed would have set up a 1st and goal. He missed GP on a double move his missed DJ on multiple crossing routes tonight. This was the best the Canada offense looked since he got hired.

Let's also get Matt Canada to Randy Finchtner levels and then maybe he'll get a job as OC for Virginia or Akron or something next year.

 

[ChaosAgent]

The offense scored 30 points with the Qb missing wide open guys tonight. He had Muth open over the middle and missed would have set up a 1st and goal. He missed GP on a double move his missed DJ on multiple crossing routes tonight. This was the best the Canada offense looked since he got hired.

27 games and 4 QBs later.

Canada is an underqualified dolt hired because ARIII likes "across the hall" guys and Tomlin is giving him a kickback for his son's scholarship.
Do you seriously think any other NFL team would hire Matt Canada as offensive coordinator next year? Or, for that matter, any high-level college program?

 

[JTG]

It is imperative that this team kicked Moore inside to G. He got absolutely smoked. Chuks is robbing the Steelers right now. Offensive line sucked today.

 

[Night Shift]

Canada offense looks like a Walsh offense compared to Indy and Denver offense and they don’t have rookie QBs. The jets locker room is ready to move on from Wilson.
Kenny was drafted because he was the most pro ready Qb who spent years in a pro system under whipple.
Again Tua mastered the RPo and has helped with his lack of deep ball Mac jones getting by with anticipation and making the read fast no great arm talent. KP has regressed since he took over. He is gun shy staring down his primary target and doesn’t give his guys a chance to make plays. Where’s the back shoulder throws to GP


Yeah I have come way down from rookie Mac jones Tua Carr cousin and Dak pre Dre draft to Daniel Jones Heinicke Alex Smith
Let’s just get to mason and Duck 2019 and go fr there

Walsh and Canada don't belong in the same sentence.

 

[Empoleon8771]

There is nothing new to say about Pickett because the situation is the exact same now that it has been all season: Pickett is a rookie QB on a mess of a team with a bumbling idiot as the OC.

This team with Watt and Fitzpatrick just gave up 37 points to a Bengals team that was missing multiple pieces. And before someone pulls up the “the defense was tired from the offense going out too quickly”, Cincy had 17 points in the first half with the offense working the best it has all season.

The only new conclusion I’ve come to recently is Harris can still be looked at as a potential cornerstone RB. If he continues to do what he has done recently, it will be massive for the team going forward. Pickens, Harris and Freiermuth are all great tools for Pickett and a new OC, and I imagine they use the high 2nd from the Claypool trade to add another WR.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

I think that the high second, Chicago's most likely, is probably going to be used on an offensive lineman. That is if they don't end up in the ten to fifteen range. I'd they do end up at five or so the value would be elsewhere than on the offensive line.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Bengals Linebacker Slams Steelers’ Elementary Playcalling

Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Germaine Pratt just took a shot at Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Matt Canada. The Bengals defeated the Steelers, 37-30, Sunday at Acrisure Stadium, and the Bengals’ second-half defensive performance factored mightily into the victory. The Bengals trailed...

steelersnow.com

"Just settling down,” Pratt told CBS Sports. “It was us giving them plays. We knew what they were going to do. They like to do the same plays over and over.”

 

[Empoleon8771]

I think that the high second, Chicago's most likely, is probably going to be used on an offensive lineman. That is if they don't end up in the ten to fifteen range. I'd they do end up at five or so the value would be elsewhere than on the offensive line.

I’m hoping they go OL with their high 1st, unless it’s too high where taking an OL would be a reach. But at that point, just trade back for a team who wants a QB and net a few extra picks.

I think this team needs a LT, a WR to replace Claypool (and possibly push Johnson out, I don’t think he and Pickett mesh at all) and a shitload of pieces on the defense. I think the best argument for not taking a WR with a 2nd is that the Steelers have done well historically with drafting WRs later in the draft.

 

[Night Shift]

Bengals Linebacker Slams Steelers’ Elementary Playcalling

Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Germaine Pratt just took a shot at Pittsburgh Steelers offensive coordinator Matt Canada. The Bengals defeated the Steelers, 37-30, Sunday at Acrisure Stadium, and the Bengals’ second-half defensive performance factored mightily into the victory. The Bengals trailed...

steelersnow.com

"Just settling down,” Pratt told CBS Sports. “It was us giving them plays. We knew what they were going to do. They like to do the same plays over and over.”

Did I not just say the other day this team doesn't prepare weekly?

The Bengals just reconfirmed what I and some others are saying.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Certainly Canada makes KP's, or any quarterback's, job exponentially harder. And a rookie is going to make mistakes.

However, that does not give KP a complete pass. I hoped to see a bit more despite the challenges.

Can he grow? Certainly. But you can still judge to a degree.

People can judge, but they far more often go into hyperbole because they can’t handle the roller coaster.

How did anyone actually expect an OC that doesn’t understand how to scheme and call plays agt NFL defenses, to help a rookie QB develop?

It would be like an adult who can’t skate trying to teach his kid to be a AAA player.

It’s illogical.

This is nothing like Roth having a dominant D and running game, with a top notch OC like Whisenhunt.

Whisenhunt changed his O on the fly for Roth and made it essentially a one read passing game that cut the field in half.

This isn’t a rookie QB with great coaching and a great team around him. This is a rookie QB on a shitty team with shitty coaching.

Him trying hero ball was a disaster, so now he must slowly build the basics from the ground up with incompetence all around him.

People who don’t seem to understand this process and what he’s up agt got their expectations way out of whack with his preseason performances.

 

[xlm34]

I’m hoping they go OL with their high 1st, unless it’s too high where taking an OL would be a reach. But at that point, just trade back for a team who wants a QB and net a few extra picks.

I think this team needs a LT, a WR to replace Claypool (and possibly push Johnson out, I don’t think he and Pickett mesh at all) and a shitload of pieces on the defense. I think the best argument for not taking a WR with a 2nd is that the Steelers have done well historically with drafting WRs later in the draft.

I don’t think this team needs a ton of pieces on defense. The biggest thing they’re missing right now is a true number one cornerback. They just don’t have anyone that can keep up or even come close to keeping up with the top guys in the league. Higgins isn’t even that and they had no answer for him. Easier said than done to find one of those though.

ILB could use an upgrade. The DL is getting up there in age so it could use some additional pieces, but has generally been really solid this year. I’d use free agency for both of these spots though.

 

[JTG]

I have faith in Andy Weidl currently, but man is this draft really important for this team. There are guys in this draft that we need. I think we need one of Paris Johnson/Peter Skoronski/Broderick Jones. We also need Saiki Ika.

 

[bigdaddyk88]

27 games and 4 QBs later.

Canada is an underqualified dolt hired because ARIII likes "across the hall" guys and Tomlin is giving him a kickback for his son's scholarship.
Do you seriously think any other NFL team would hire Matt Canada as offensive coordinator next year? Or, for that matter, any high-level college program?

Yeah i would remember when he was the Qb coach Flores was interested in hiring him to develop Tua. His scheme is RPo motion based used in 90 percent of the nfl and college its nothing special.

27 games and 4 QBs later.

Canada is an underqualified dolt hired because ARIII likes "across the hall" guys and Tomlin is giving him a kickback for his son's scholarship.
Do you seriously think any other NFL team would hire Matt Canada as offensive coordinator next year? Or, for that matter, any high-level college program?

People can judge, but they far more often go into hyperbole because they can’t handle the roller coaster.

How did anyone actually expect an OC that doesn’t understand how to scheme and call plays agt NFL defenses, to help a rookie QB develop?

It would be like an adult who can’t skate trying to teach his kid to be a AAA player.

It’s illogical.

This is nothing like Roth having a dominant D and running game, with a top notch OC like Whisenhunt.

Whisenhunt changed his O on the fly for Roth and made it essentially a one read passing game that cut the field in half.

This isn’t a rookie QB with great coaching and a great team around him. This is a rookie QB on a shitty team with shitty coaching.

Him trying hero ball was a disaster, so now he must slowly build the basics from the ground up with incompetence all around him.

People who don’t seem to understand this process and what he’s up agt got their expectations way out of whack with his preseason performances.

This is an RPo one read half the field offense if With guy wide open the only thing they could do to make it simpler is tell KP regardless of the read if GP or DJ have one one one they are progressions 1