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ChaosAgent

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Pickett has struggled at times today, but he's had the offense moving for the most part. Not a lot of three and outs.

New Orleans kind of sucks but this is how you make life easier for a rookie QB. Solid running game. Really good defense.

Najee has been coached to stop running like Barry Sanders and run like a battering ram. If you are 6'2 245 LBS and run forward you should at the least pick up 1. Truly a win for the staff this week.
 

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Also this year is a really good example of not judging a QB right after his rookie year. Look at what Justin Fields is doing right now in Chicago. Trevor Lawrence has been much better. Mac Jones who was the media favorite has really struggled.

Rookie Qbs on bad teams need patience.

The problem is that he's 24. If he was 22 and coming out after his non-redshirt junior year this whole year would be a different story.

The point is well-taken though. He could certainly be doing worse.
 

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Also this year is a really good example of not judging a QB right after his rookie year. Look at what Justin Fields is doing right now in Chicago. Trevor Lawrence has been much better. Mac Jones who was the media favorite has really struggled.

Rookie Qbs on bad teams need patience.
Yeah and yet Pickett has not shown anything special imo
 

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Luckily the defense stepped up the last couple drives with TOs and the Saints got flagged for a number of penalties, or this game would have been a loss lol
 

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The defense has been amazing today.

This is a game that could be a springboard for this team. Watt is showing how good he can make this defense.
 

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They've had a number of plays this week that have gone for 15+ yards, probably the majority of the occurrences from the entire season have come this game, so that's an encouraging sign for the future if they can continue to show more consistency drive to drive.

Getting back to some of the comments from a bit ago.

Imo acquiring a vet qb like Carr for this team would be pointless. This team isn't a Carr away from being competitive, which is the only reason you would rush the qb position. Pickett potentially not being the future doesn't mean you rush into another option.

And me personally, I don't feel I'm spoiled at all regarding the QB position, if this team tanked the next 3 seasons I could care less, most teams have to suck to get better.

What I disagree with is the notion that Pickett is a normal rookie, when he's not. He's a 5-year college player, 24 years old, and outside of learning the speed of the pro game and pro play design/reads, his mechanics are likely as developed as they're going to get. He's likely near what his potential ceiling is already, which was the vast majority opinion of him pre-draft, low ceiling, high floor. He's likely not going to become what Fields for instance has blossomed into this year out of the blue. Who's still younger than Kenny btw.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be given the rest of the year or even more to prove himself, but I feel the constant "he's just a rookie!!11!11" doesn't take all the context surrounding him into consideration, and insults my intelligence.

That doesn't mean I want them to give up on him early, just not to bullheadedly tie themselves to him should a better option eventually fall into their lap. Which may not be for multiple seasons more anyway, so not like there's any rush.

All that said, Pickett is proving to be a pretty damn good QB sneaker early in his career. Always felt that is an underappreciated quality of those QB's who are great at it that gets taken for granted by their fanbases.

Some much improved play by the secondary this week as well. Unfortunately all winning does is worsen our picks, but Tomlin was never going to willingly facilitate a tank so oh well. Winning will benefit the locker room psyche if anything.

Overall I'm satisfied with the performances from today for those positions that matter for the future. Boswell is injured so the kicking struggles are meaningless.
 

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Warren struggled a bit early in the game while Harris was galloping, but since both have been gashing this defense, which is a nice cap to put on this game. If they can develop a truly successful one-two punch backfield that would be so huge going forward.
 

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Pickett in a game where people say he’s been terrible still yielded 250 all purpose yards (199 passing yards, 53 rushing yards), 6 should have been scoring drives and 400 totals yards of offense.

Unsurprisingly, it’s much easier to be successful when you have a good running game to complement a rookie QB instead of hoping the rookie QB can bail out your terrible team.
 

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Well people are gonna be pissed about draft position, but it'll be good for a young team to get a couple of wins.

They aren't a good team this year, but I personally don't think this team is that far off from being a playoff team. A lot of that is going to depend on Pickett though.
 

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They've had a number of plays this week that have gone for 15+ yards, probably the majority of the occurrences from the entire season have come this game, so that's an encouraging sign for the future if they can continue to show more consistency drive to drive.

Getting back to some of the comments from a bit ago.

Imo acquiring a vet qb like Carr for this team would be pointless. This team isn't a Carr away from being competitive, which is the only reason you would rush the qb position. Pickett potentially not being the future doesn't mean you rush into another option.

And me personally, I don't feel I'm spoiled at all regarding the QB position, if this team tanked the next 3 seasons I could care less, most teams have to suck to get better.

What I disagree with is the notion that Pickett is a normal rookie, when he's not. He's a 5-year college player, 24 years old, and outside of learning the speed of the pro game and pro play design/reads, his mechanics are likely as developed as they're going to get. He's likely near what his potential ceiling is already, which was the vast majority opinion of him pre-draft, low ceiling, high floor. He's likely not going to become what Fields for instance has blossomed into this year out of the blue. Who's still younger than Kenny btw.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be given the rest of the year or even more to prove himself, but I feel the constant "he's just a rookie!!11!11" doesn't take all the context surrounding him into consideration, and insults my intelligence.

That doesn't mean I want them to give up on him early, just not to bullheadedly tie themselves to him should a better option eventually fall into their lap. Which may not be for multiple seasons more anyway, so not like there's any rush.

All that said, Pickett is proving to be a pretty damn good QB sneaker early in his career. Always felt that is an underappreciated quality of those QB's who are great at it that gets taken for granted by their fanbases.

Some much improved play by the secondary this week as well. Unfortunately all winning does is worsen our picks, but Tomlin was never going to willingly facilitate a tank so oh well. Winning will benefit the locker room psyche if anything.

Overall I'm satisfied with the performances from today for those positions that matter for the future. Boswell is injured so the kicking struggles are meaningless.

Probably the best post on this.

I agree with all of it, though I'd certainly scour the market for an under the radar vet. After the Russell Wilson issues I doubt that vets are going to be as expensive to acquire going forward. Especially the non-name brands.

Grading on a curve because of Canada and Kenny being a rookie is fine, but consider his stats this year against Rudolph's in 2019 at the same age. It isn't better and look what Rudolph is now.

I agree with you on his running/sneaking ability. He's a "gamer" and has the intangibles/BDE. It's moreso just a question of raw talent with KP.

I'm interested in evaluating Pickett and evaluating the top college options in the coming weeks. While of course firing Canada which I'm 95% positive will happen.
 

xlm34

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They've had a number of plays this week that have gone for 15+ yards, probably the majority of the occurrences from the entire season have come this game, so that's an encouraging sign for the future if they can continue to show more consistency drive to drive.

Getting back to some of the comments from a bit ago.

Imo acquiring a vet qb like Carr for this team would be pointless. This team isn't a Carr away from being competitive, which is the only reason you would rush the qb position. Pickett potentially not being the future doesn't mean you rush into another option.

And me personally, I don't feel I'm spoiled at all regarding the QB position, if this team tanked the next 3 seasons I could care less, most teams have to suck to get better.

What I disagree with is the notion that Pickett is a normal rookie, when he's not. He's a 5-year college player, 24 years old, and outside of learning the speed of the pro game and pro play design/reads, his mechanics are likely as developed as they're going to get. He's likely near what his potential ceiling is already, which was the vast majority opinion of him pre-draft, low ceiling, high floor. He's likely not going to become what Fields for instance has blossomed into this year out of the blue. Who's still younger than Kenny btw.

That doesn't mean he shouldn't be given the rest of the year or even more to prove himself, but I feel the constant "he's just a rookie!!11!11" doesn't take all the context surrounding him into consideration, and insults my intelligence.

That doesn't mean I want them to give up on him early, just not to bullheadedly tie themselves to him should a better option eventually fall into their lap. Which may not be for multiple seasons more anyway, so not like there's any rush.

All that said, Pickett is proving to be a pretty damn good QB sneaker early in his career. Always felt that is an underappreciated quality of those QB's who are great at it that gets taken for granted by their fanbases.

Some much improved play by the secondary this week as well. Unfortunately all winning does is worsen our picks, but Tomlin was never going to willingly facilitate a tank so oh well. Winning will benefit the locker room psyche if anything.

Overall I'm satisfied with the performances from today for those positions that matter for the future. Boswell is injured so the kicking struggles are meaningless.

Are his mechanics really a problem though? I think they're pretty damn good. Most of his issues seem to be decision making which will improve with time.

The only thing that really concerns me with him is him trying to bail out the back door when the pocket is relatively clean. That was always an issue with him and I don't know how easy it's going to be to correct.
 
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