If he commited the alleged crime, who gives a crap about the NHL. Let's worry about the poor girl. It's a disgusting crime and if he did it , let him rot. Hopefully the American justice system gets this right , either way
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If he commited the alleged crime, who gives a crap about the NHL. Let's worry about the poor girl. It's a disgusting crime and if he did it , let him rot. Hopefully the American justice system gets this right , either way
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I don't see why he can't focus his comment specifically on the effects it could have on the NHL. I'm sure he is considerate for the girl in question.
What about people being angry if he did rape the girl? Or do we only care about marketability in that case?
If he did do it I will be extremely angry, I don't give a **** about what the NHL would lose.
Do they take him off the cover of NHL 16 tho?
Forgot to add before my post:
I CARE MORE ABOUT THE GIRL THAN MONEY
Now that it's out of the way, I'll let you re-read my post and focus on the repercussions on the NHL if it happened, assuming I'm not a horrible person and that I'm allowed to talk about it.
Bergevillain
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Fair enough, I never assumed you are a horrible person. Just used to seeing the victim pushed under the rug and thought I'd have my say. Sorry to make it seem like I was completely dismissing you.
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On the business side of things, I'd be so pissed if I was Bowman and the accusations were legitimate and Kane is guilty. You trust your player and you make room to keep him and he goes and does something that despicable and ****s you over.
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Wasn't the last time Kane had a run in with the law also the time he was on the cover of NHL 10? It's the EA cover curse!
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This situation is bad either way. If the woman made it up it undermines other future rape victims. If Kane committed a rape and is convicted then it means the loss of a great icon for the sport.
Most likely result: Kane committed a rape, and there won't be enough evidence to convict, he will go on happily.
Most likely result: Kane committed a rape, and there won't be enough evidence to convict, he will go on happily.
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Sorry for the grief I caused you but if you re-read your post (maybe in a few days) you'll probably understand why we reacted like we did
-> Either she's a lying attention grabbing ***** OR it sucks for the NHL
But thanks for clearing the air and I agree that the whole situation blows
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The NHL really crapped the bed when they suspended Voynov when they don't have a player personnel conduct policy and suspended Voynov. The NFL has a player conduct policy because of rampant arrests.
The NHL had no basis for suspending Voynov but everyone involved chose to adopt the NFL's problems and now it is stuck painting its players with the NFL's problems.
Sports has no business being the morality police. We have a justice system for a reason. Entertainment commissioners aren't suppose to replace society's checks and balances.
I haven't read an NHL player contract, but I'm pretty sure it includes clauses about behaviour and morality. The job doesn't stop when you leave the arena. These athletes are being paid millions of dollars not only to perform on the ice, but to represent their employer's brand off the ice. Voynov was the one who crapped the bed, and now it appears Kane may have unloaded another steaming pile.
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Which would either get buried or she'll be pressured with litigation to not pursue. The vast majority of rape is unreported in North America and when it is pursued it is almost impossible to get a conviction, regardless of what actually happened.
And civil suits are very hard against wealthy clients that can lawyer up like Kane.
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I don't think sports leagues want to be the morality police either. Actually, I think they are extremely uncomfortable with the idea.
It all comes down to money, and evolving societal demands. They don't want to lose sponsors, or create a negative public perception for their product.
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You are right, sports leagues don't want to be. But the NFL does, they think they are King ****. The NHL could have let the justice system do their job, with his 90 days in jail, he would have missed training camp and been 3 weeks behind schedule to get in game shape and missed an appropriate number of games. If we let the NFL write the script, Kane should have missed a season for punching a cab driver because equal rights should give you the same punishment for punching a women or a man.
It's not the same thing and they don't send the same message. There is a very huge difference between a guy that punch a taxi driver and a other that get filmed punching his wife. Our society doesn't have a problem with violence against taxi driver. Every major sports need to have policy about violence made by their players toward women. Let's face it, major sports always were bad for the image of women. They used them as sexy sides for the males athletes. And it needs to change. When there sending a player on the field or the ice while this player is under investigation, they also send the message that if they can't prove it, there will be no consequence. Of course, you need a trial. Accusations need to be proved, I know. But they need to send the message to every men, that if you get into a sexual/conjugal violence investigation this will be taken seriously. Yes, the guy can be innocent. If it happen, his reputation will be restore. You don't have to worry. Every medias will jump on that case to support the poor man that was attack by the mean girl.
The reason the NFL has those policies is because in huge amount of cases (every crimes not just against women), they let some players tackle, run, throw, catch and be hero WHILE being guilty but not proved. Let's face it, those thing doesn't happen to good boys. Maybe Kane is innocent. But that didn't happen to Toews or Crosby. It happens to a guy that was violent before. A guy who rumors claims has issues off the ice for years (drinking, drugs, being a ******).
As for equality rights, I will add my two cents on the subject. People should remember a simple physic law. When you're behing a moving object and you want to reach that object, you need to go faster not at the same speed. This applies to women and the black community. We need to put extra effort and ressources to help the women to reach the same statut as men. White men were massively favored for hundreds of years, it's normal it goes the other way. I believe we need to educate boys and young men to respect women and their body. And to do that, we can't let males models do whatever they wants while being under investigation. Waiting for the judge decision, that's the statut quo. Acting immediately to send a message, that's the extra push that will help the situation. Who cares about the NHL sales? Kane is gone for a year? McDavid just entered, we don't need Kane. The society doesn't need Kane as much as we need real equality politics.
And that's the point. Innocent until proven guilty. It's there for a reason, you know.
Not taking sides, by the way. Definitely looks like Kane is in trouble. But even then, the pro leagues can't start substituing themselve to the justice system. That would create some dangerous precedent.
What happened in other cases (especially that one in the NFL) is that there was video evidence publicly available. That alone changes everything from a PR point of view. But in Kane's case, we just don't know yet, even though it arguably looks very bad so far.
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So now the girl alledgedly had bite marks on a shoulder (whooo you little devil you) and scratches on a leg. Suspense is intense.
NFL NBANHL needs to shed it's "thug" image.
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