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Zman5778
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NFL beat writer mock draft 2025: Giants, Raiders secure their futures at QB
Good news for teams that want to invest in the trenches: This draft is filled with talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
www.nytimes.com
NOTE: The apple of many eyes in DT Kenneth Grant was taken at #22. Tyleik Williams was still on the board and went 32.
Selanne00008
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Quoting you but only because it's Garrett talk and agree with the bolded.
I'd love to see a Garrett trade.
I don't see Cleveland doing in Pre 6/1 due to dead cap hit this coming year.
Therefor I don't see 2025 picks being in the mix. I COULD see the Bills trading a 2nd or 4th this year to a different team for said teams 1st or 3rd in 2026, to help give the browns more picks in 2026.
There's comps from the Kahlil Mack trade are: Raiders got the Bears 1st, and 6th rounders in 2019, 1st and 3rd round picks in 2020
The Bears got Mack, along with a 2nd and a 5th rounder.
If you wash out the 5th and 6th rounders as negligible. It's two 1st rounders and a 3rd. For Mack and a 2nd.
Point is, I don't want to just throw assets around like they are nothing and give the Browns two 1sts and a 2nd or more. Garrett is also 29 and Mack was 27. That's a HUGE difference as those are two of your TOP prime years in the league. Garrett could start declining in a year or two even.
I do not want the Bills to overpay for Garrett and just go all in at all costs. Garrett should go for less than Mack did.
That’s, literally, my dream scenario. Draft Grant. Trade for MG.
Groot-Grant-Oliver-Garrett. That's a front 4 that you can play every down. The additions of Grant and Garrett will also bring out the best of Rousseau & Oliver.
If we miss out on MG then we can look at a Crosby trade. Or Parsons. There are also some UFA's like Mack. Sweat. There are some options at Edge that we can look at in the 2nd round too, like, Ezeiruaku, Tuimoloau, Umanmielen, Ivey and Stewart. Beane knows what we need. He'll go out swinging imo.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
Selanne00008
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Agreed.
My dream trade scenario would be:
Bills trade their Minny 2025 2nd rounder, plus a Bills 5th or 6th in 2025 to say, a team like jags/Chargers (middle of the pack). For their 2026 1st (is this even ideal?)
Then for the Garrett trade post 6/1:
Bills Receive Garrett
Browns receive the Bills 2026 1st, the Jags/Chargers 2026th 1st, plus a Bills 2027 3rd.
That looks close in comp to the Mack trade.
I just don't know if it's realistic to get a Jags/Chargers team to bite on the pick swap. Might need to move more to them.
Bills still have their 1st and 2nd rounder this year to fill in around Garrett and a DB. They just go into 2026 draft without a 1st.
KeyserSoze81
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6 year old me sobbed so much. Thankfully, by age 10 I was already immune to most pain. 40 year old me is just a collection of scar tissue held together by unrelenting bitterness.
brian_griffin
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Legit questions:
(1) why do the Browns have ANY motivation to move Myles G. this offseason? He is under contract, they would certainly benefit from his play, and his decline in value to next offseason vs. contributions this season seem to be an acceptable cost to bear.
(2) Why do people posit trading a 2nd and 5th (as an example) in 2025 draft for a 1st rounder in 2026 draft? I fully understand that a draft pick in n+1 years is worth less than the same round pick in draft year n, but the drop off in talent from a 1st rounder to a 2nd plus 5th (as an example) is large, regardless of whether all (3) picks end up being starters - which is certainly possible given roster needs and positional impact an value.
(3) Are people properly valuing the Bills ante if Myles Garrett is truly available? The issue isn't "fair value", it is outbidding quantity N other teams who could be in play (need, cap space, fortitude) to similarly acquire Garrett. Again, Garrett isn't a UFA where he can choose to go to the team with the best chances of winning the Lombardi.
Because of the above, and lacking convincing evidence otherwise, I think Garrett to BUF this offseason is less likely than a coin toss (but would love to be proven wrong - I agree with the fit / linkage / value to BUF).
Just my likely-to-no-longer-be-freshly-minted two cents.
(1) why do the Browns have ANY motivation to move Myles G. this offseason? He is under contract, they would certainly benefit from his play, and his decline in value to next offseason vs. contributions this season seem to be an acceptable cost to bear.
(2) Why do people posit trading a 2nd and 5th (as an example) in 2025 draft for a 1st rounder in 2026 draft? I fully understand that a draft pick in n+1 years is worth less than the same round pick in draft year n, but the drop off in talent from a 1st rounder to a 2nd plus 5th (as an example) is large, regardless of whether all (3) picks end up being starters - which is certainly possible given roster needs and positional impact an value.
(3) Are people properly valuing the Bills ante if Myles Garrett is truly available? The issue isn't "fair value", it is outbidding quantity N other teams who could be in play (need, cap space, fortitude) to similarly acquire Garrett. Again, Garrett isn't a UFA where he can choose to go to the team with the best chances of winning the Lombardi.
Because of the above, and lacking convincing evidence otherwise, I think Garrett to BUF this offseason is less likely than a coin toss (but would love to be proven wrong - I agree with the fit / linkage / value to BUF).
Just my likely-to-no-longer-be-freshly-minted two cents.
Jim Bob
RIP RJ
James Cook: I just want to get what I deserve
Bills running back James Cook is eligible for a new contract this offseason and he hinted at what kind of salary he's looking for in a social media post earlier this month.
www.nbcsports.com
My guess is there might be a sizable gap between what he thinks he deserves and what Brandon Beane is willing to pay him.
First being, you have a player who doesn't want to be there. The second is....they have to get to the other side of the watson contract to even begin to field a competitive team. So, reasonably speaking, that isn't until after 2026...when Garrett can walk. So, once the Browns accept the aren't going to be a good team while Watson is there, they will move on from Garrett and start the rebuild in earnest.
This is very calculated by Garrett, because he can moved to a good team AND have a shot at a big deal. In two years, he probably isn't getting as big of a contract.
That i'm not sure. Typically the value of getting a young cheap starter now is pretty high.
Garrett is going to have some say in where he wants to go. Teams aren't going to trade a shit ton for his rights and then be informed he didn't want to go there.
It's likely much less than 50%.
It really depends on what Cleveland wants and if they value him going out of conference or not.
James Cook: I just want to get what I deserve
Bills running back James Cook is eligible for a new contract this offseason and he hinted at what kind of salary he's looking for in a social media post earlier this month.
My guess is there might be a sizable gap between what he thinks he deserves and what Brandon Beane is willing to pay him.
In watching that video....things might be worse than we thought with cook.
He said two things that worried me:
1. He wants a bigger role and to play in all situations rather than the 'by committee' way the Bills play. I don't think that is going to happen.
2. He doesn't feel the pay scale for running backs is fair, said multiples times that running backs are under valued. When he was asked directly if he felt he deserved to be a top paid running back, he just said 'we valuable' or some part of it.
There is no silver lining in drafting him in the first round....NFL beat writer mock draft 2025: Giants, Raiders secure their futures at QB
Good news for teams that want to invest in the trenches: This draft is filled with talent on the offensive and defensive lines.
NOTE: The apple of many eyes in DT Kenneth Grant was taken at #22. Tyleik Williams was still on the board and went 32.
