The Official Regret Thread

[KreiMeARiver*]

I don't think one person mentioned letting PAP go for nothing. WOW

 

[surf]

I regret Barry Beck having bad shoulders..Dude was a beast..My favorite all time Ranger..I wore # 3 and 5 in my playing days because of him.

 

[Heyoooo*]

How much time ya got?

Trading Jeep
Trading Weight
Trading Zubov
Trading Kovalev (the first time)
Bringing Messier back
The (non) development of Brendl, Lundmark & Malhotra
Drafting Jessiman
Letting Zherdev go
Signing Drury
Signing Redden
Cherepanov's death
Not drafting Tarasenko
(Not counting any trades that fell through since who ever knows how close they REALLY were?)

That's off the top of my head - I know there are others.

Yeah... I like McIlrath but

 

[Bluenote13]

I regret Barry Beck having bad shoulders..Dude was a beast..My favorite all time Ranger..I wore # 3 and 5 in my playing days because of him.

He was great player when healthy, but the hits took a toll, so many injuries, played through them pretty well but was done by 31 years old. 1980-81 season he was a monster. 13 points in 14 playoff games. Damn Icelander dynasty, that's the playoff "1940" started.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Booth and Zajac were definitely up for discussion. One of our scouts liked Zajac, we went with the Euro scout who urged Korpikoski.

Ladd was a guy we wanted to move up for but had no assets to move up.

Not true. Carolina moved up from 8 to 4 for a lower 2nd round pick (47th, I believe), than what we had in our arsenal that year.

 

[Bluenote13]

Not true. Carolina moved up from 8 to 4 for a lower 2nd round pick (47th, I believe), than what we had in our arsenal that year.

Carolina traded them #59. We had #60, which ended up being Dubinsky. Slats did not want to trade the 3 higher 2nd round picks. That's how I remember it, could be wrong that draft seems like a billion years ago. In the end Blackburn was really hurt and we had a chance to take the drafts #1 ranked goalie. I think they would have really like Ladd to move up, and I don't know if they did.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Carolina traded them #59. We had #60, which ended up being Dubinsky. Slats did not want to trade the 3 higher 2nd round picks. That's how I remember it, could be wrong that draft seems like a billion years ago. In the end Blackburn was really hurt and we had a chance to take the drafts #1 ranked goalie. I think they would have really like Ladd to move up, and I don't know if they did.

Remember, they had 2nd rounders from FLA (via Col), Montreal, Edmonton, Vancouver and their own. They gave up a 2nd to move up to get Korpikoski. The Dubi pick at 60 was after they traded down twice to get additional 3rd rounders. I believe the 2nd that went to Calgary in order to move up to get Korpikoski was higher than the pick Carolina gave up to Columbus. I think Maloney was deadset on taking Montoya.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Not getting the Nash deal done before the trade deadline last season. Could have definitely used him in the play offs.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

Not getting the Nash deal done before the trade deadline last season. Could have definitely used him in the play offs.

Disagree. Columbus had way more leverage then and Howson was only going to settle for some hideous overpayment. Getting him for peanuts in the offseason will pay off.

 

[SlapshotTheMovie]

Disagree. Columbus had way more leverage then and Howson was only going to settle for some hideous overpayment. Getting him for peanuts in the offseason will pay off.

From most accounts the trade was almost done for essentially (not exactly but also not stepan gabby or kreider) what we got in the off season until we played them and nash single handed brought the game into OT. He really uped his play that game and swung the negotiations out of our favor. Obviously everyone knew he was a great player but he showed he only could stand with the NYR unit and it burned us for the future of the negotiations.

 

[tjs252]

First two things I thought of were not re-signing Jagr (though if he won the Hart over Thornton in 05/06 - which he should have - he would have triggered an option that counted for significantly less against the cap) and not trading Malhotra for Bure in '99, as that was apparently the dealbreaker. That leads to a really different next 4-5 years, chief among them what Bure does for extending Gretzky's career (he's said he'd have probably played 2-3 more years if he had Bure on his wing) and keeping Smith's job/keeping away Sather (who, admittedly, has been good lately, but also oversaw/constructed an incredibly embarrassing time).

To me, those are our truly two great what-ifs.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

From most accounts the trade was almost done for essentially (not exactly but also not stepan gabby or kreider) what we got in the off season until we played them and nash single handed brought the game into OT. He really uped his play that game and swung the negotiations out of our favor. Obviously everyone knew he was a great player but he showed he only could stand with the NYR unit and it burned us for the future of the negotiations.

From what I remember, Howson was asking about pieces like Kreider/Stepan/McDonagh/Del Zotto and I just had no interest in letting that happen.

 

[tjs252]

From what I remember, Howson was asking about pieces like Kreider/Stepan/McDonagh/Del Zotto and I just had no interest in letting that happen.

That's my understanding as well. It was always Anisimov/Dubinsky/Picks/+, but the "+" lessened dramatically from in-season (rumored to be Del Zotto or Kreider) to offseason (Erixon).

 

[Trxjw]

I don't know how much I regret it personally, since I was 100% against it even at the time, but I certainly regret that the Rangers hired Glen Sather. That one should cover plenty of what is being discussed.

Agreed. He's just a mess. It makes me cringe to think what would have become of this team had Jagr and Hank not fallen into our laps.

Plenty of mistakes I'd like to go back and erase, and most of them are listed here so I won't repeat them all.

 

[cd211]

not that the nash trade wasn;t a solid pick up for us and it has been great for us...

but..

IDK how the hell Howson didn't get one or even two of Kreider, Miller, Stepan, hags or MDZ.. to me that is insane!! We did give quality players in Dubi and AA, and most of us agree that we would take them back in a second if we could, but DAMN, Sather worked his magic in keeping all those pieces.. I dont care if Howson's hand was tied or not because Nash only wanted to come to nyr but i mean come on..

PAP was another good one i saw someone mention as a regret.. Why do you think he wasn't a fit here? Why did torts banish him i dont remember.. But since hes like 28-29 it just goes to show that we have to give players time to develop he was a late bloomer and is excelling..

 

[SnowblindNYR]

First two things I thought of were not re-signing Jagr (though if he won the Hart over Thornton in 05/06 - which he should have - he would have triggered an option that counted for significantly less against the cap) and not trading Malhotra for Bure in '99, as that was apparently the dealbreaker. That leads to a really different next 4-5 years, chief among them what Bure does for extending Gretzky's career (he's said he'd have probably played 2-3 more years if he had Bure on his wing) and keeping Smith's job/keeping away Sather (who, admittedly, has been good lately, but also oversaw/constructed an incredibly embarrassing time).

To me, those are our truly two great what-ifs.

He would count less against the cap if he won the Hart? Why?

 

[NYR Viper]

Antoine Lafleur in the 2nd round

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

P.A. Parenteau


9 goals, 9 assists.. let go for nothing...

So many of you didn't even care...offering the crap argument "oh it's the Islanders"

Well, now he's doing it on another team. This is just another illustration of our front-office/coaching ineptitude.

Yet you all love to bump the Zuccarello thread every 5 seconds.

 

[Nyrvana]

I still think trading Zubov was the worst decision the Rangers have made in recent years. He gave us the PP threat that we are still looking to replace.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

I still think trading Zubov was the worst decision the Rangers have made in recent years. He gave us the PP threat that we are still looking to replace.

I never got to see him play live during his younger years but judging from the stories my Dad has shared and the crippling depression he goes into whenever his named is mentioned, I'd say trading Sergei was a rather big mistake.

 

[Captain Monglobster]

I will never regret anything associated with PA Parentau. I don't know how he's doing it, but voodoo is definitely involved.

 

[Florida Ranger]

I don't think one person mentioned letting PAP go for nothing. WOW

P.A. Parenteau


9 goals, 9 assists.. let go for nothing...

So many of you didn't even care...offering the crap argument "oh it's the Islanders"

Well, now he's doing it on another team. This is just another illustration of our front-office/coaching ineptitude.

Yet you all love to bump the Zuccarello thread every 5 seconds.

I didn't think of this. I disagreed when they let PA go a couple seasons ago. I thought he played a solid game.

 

[haohmaru]

Graves to San Jose is another move I didn't like. Mikael Samuelsson turned out to be a decent player 5 or 6 years later for another team and who knows what happened to that other minor leaguer in the deal.

Also, the Granato/Sandstrom for Nicholls trade. Granato was the late 80's/early 90's version of Ryan Callahan and I always liked Sandstrom and... Nicholls... meh....

 

[Bluenote13]

Remember, they had 2nd rounders from FLA (via Col), Montreal, Edmonton, Vancouver and their own. They gave up a 2nd to move up to get Korpikoski. The Dubi pick at 60 was after they traded down twice to get additional 3rd rounders. I believe the 2nd that went to Calgary in order to move up to get Korpikoski was higher than the pick Carolina gave up to Columbus. I think Maloney was deadset on taking Montoya.

Good memory, totally forgot about the 2nd rounder trades.

Graves to San Jose is another move I didn't like. Mikael Samuelsson turned out to be a decent player 5 or 6 years later for another team and who knows what happened to that other minor leaguer in the deal.

Also, the Granato/Sandstrom for Nicholls trade. Granato was the late 80's/early 90's version of Ryan Callahan and I always liked Sandstrom and... Nicholls... meh....

Nicholls got us Messier. I do those every time.

 

[frozenrubber]

But speaking of recent ones, the 2003 draft for so many reasons, and not signing Chara. I thought after all the years of throwing money around we'd land the big guy. I was shocked that Sather didn't go a few million more for a game changer.

By the reports at the time, the Rangers were very interested in Chara. But before even talking money/term, Chara's agent/camp said he had no interest in NYC. Larry Brooks had a similar article at the time. It didn't ever appear to be a money issue in the least (unless you have a different source/intel)

Now Elias used the Rangers to get a better deal from the Devils.