Speculation: The Official Offseason Roster Discussion Thread

[Giovi]

I know Domi is an arse but I think if CBJ wanted to, I'd do a Strome swap straight up.

Domi has worn out his welcome increasingly fast at each stop. What was once considered immaturity is now known to be, well, he's just an asshole. After Torts benched him for mugging Murphy, he showed remarkably little self-awareness in saying Murphy should be embarrassed.

This is this off-seasons' version of "I'd trade DeBrincat for Laine" for you. Strome has little value, but Domi has negative value.

 

[Giovi]

Limited sample size, but I think the Hawks need to point Regula in the direction of someone who can improve his wheels.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Yeah no thanks on Domi

Also Jarmo wont be looking to move him because it would be bad look for him as yet another trade that didn't work out (Seems to be happening alot for him)

Most likely they will blame Torts and go into next year with a lot of guys who will have to show up and play well or then be shipped out

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Domi has worn out his welcome increasingly fast at each stop. What was once considered immaturity is now known to be, well, he's just an asshole. After Torts benched him for mugging Murphy, he showed remarkably little self-awareness in saying Murphy should be embarrassed.

This is this off-seasons' version of "I'd trade DeBrincat for Laine" for you. Strome has little value, but Domi has negative value.

Domi is still more productive than Strome despite being a dick. Also he can skate unlike Strome.

 

[Panzerspitze]

I’m listening to the end of year wrap up podcast with Stan and Colliton.

They name four guys who surprised and exceed expectations them this year:

Hagel
Suter
Kurashev
Kalynuk

No Lankinen?

 

[Pez68]

Limited sample size, but I think the Hawks need to point Regula in the direction of someone who can improve his wheels.

Agreed. His foot speed is not great.

 

[Space umpire]

Agreed. His foot speed is not great.

He and Boqvist can ride together.

 

[Pertti]

As for the young players in my humble opinion.
Defense:

I'm impressed with Kalynuk, Beaudin, and Regula. Good poise with the puck. Kalynuk especially looks like a real gem, great lateral movement.
Stillman, not so much. #6-7 guy at best.
Mitchell, not ready for primetime.
Boqvist, needs to stay healthy.

Offense:

Debrincat, stud.
Dach showing strides, needs to stay healthy and get meaner. He can dominate when he decides to.
Hagel, A+ A worthy Shaw successor
Kurashev, hustler with some skill. Looks like a long-term 3rd line center.
Suter, promising start. I hope he can build on it and be even better next season.
Strome. Well, bye.
Hardman, Entwhistle seem like justaguys.

Lankinen, promising.

Of course, I could be totally wrong. Just my impressions from a strange, short season.

Mostly agree but Kurashev I see as Hino light.

 

[Muffinalt]

Please tell me who to give up for Serg and where to sign

Its fantasy land unfortunately...

Im speculating that maybe Tampa won't be able to fix their cap problems by simply jettisoning some of their less impactful forwards, and could turn to some hockey trades that are downgrades but would mean reallocating their cap.

So maybe offering them two NHL ready elc defenders who could be built around for the future for Sergachev is worth their while. Kalynuk and Boqvist (+maybe some cheap forward like Kampf or Carpenter) maybe could be interesting to them.

But probably not too likely and more like a last resort type scenario for them. Sergachev would be such a great fit for us argh.

I didn't know this but Regula is only a week older than Boqvist.

Damn!

I though he was much closer to Mitchell/Beaudin. That's actually huge. He seemed pretty close to Nhl ready even now, so big things ahead hopefully.

 

[Giovi]

He and Boqvist can ride together.

Boqvist is definitely a better skater than Regula. JC seems to think Boqvists' problem is more with conditioning.

Regula just has heavy feet.

 

[Pez68]

Boqvist is definitely a better skater than Regula. JC seems to think Boqvists' problem is more with conditioning.

Regula just has heavy feet.

That's my take. Boqvist I think needs some heavy plyometrics training this offseason. Get that explosiveness into his stride. When we met him his rookie season, his lower body was really small.

 

[Giovi]

That's my take. Boqvist I think needs some heavy plyometrics training this offseason. Get that explosiveness into his stride. When we met him his rookie season, his lower body was really small.

I also think he often gets caught reading the play a little slow, resulting in losing foot races because the other guy has a few strides on him.

 

[WarLax]

Domi is still more productive than Strome despite being a dick. Also he can skate unlike Strome.

Thankfully the FO cares about locker room chemistry and fostering a good environment for these kids to develop.

 

[dougd]

I also think he often gets caught reading the play a little slow, resulting in losing foot races because the other guy has a few strides on him.

Bang on.
Saw that a number of times, puck banked off boards at the line, he slow on takeoff to recovery. I still see slightly below straight away speed even when in gear.
hopefully he is able to ramp that part up.

 

[u2wojo]

I know Domi is an arse but I think if CBJ wanted to, I'd do a Strome swap straight up.

The Domi thought has been well conversed here already....but what about Boone Jenner for Strome? Strome is a swing at the fences to find a #2 center for a team in desperate need of help at center. Boone Jenner would help address that we suck at faceoffs other then Kampf and Toews neither of which are certain to be back at this point.

 

[Space umpire]

I also think he often gets caught reading the play a little slow, resulting in losing foot races because the other guy has a few strides on him.

I think they all had that issue except for Kalynuk (and he’s a bit older). I was actually most impressed with Beaudin who other than Kalynuk showed promise at both ends and IIRC played most of his 1st stint with deHaan who has lost his game to injury. Boqvist had Keith behind him and Mitchell had Murphy.
The guy that worries me is Mitchell. He made wrong choices too many times. Boqvist, Beaudin and Kalynuk seemed to better sense when to join the and when to hold back.

 

[CanadianHawks]

The Domi thought has been well conversed here already....but what about Boone Jenner for Strome? Strome is a swing at the fences to find a #2 center for a team in desperate need of help at center. Boone Jenner would help address that we suck at faceoffs other then Kampf and Toews neither of which are certain to be back at this point.

Jenner exactly the type of player we could use

 

[RememberTheRoar]

The Domi thought has been well conversed here already....but what about Boone Jenner for Strome? Strome is a swing at the fences to find a #2 center for a team in desperate need of help at center. Boone Jenner would help address that we suck at faceoffs other then Kampf and Toews neither of which are certain to be back at this point.

I like Jenner, I’d be fine with that deal. Even if Jenner just puts up the same level of offense Strome did this year, he’ll have a much greater overall impact.

 

[Hawkey]

This team needs true superstar prospects. It’s good to see the depth they are developing, but the top teams have true stars on their roster with depth.

Where are they going to get that? It’s hard to find those drafting 10-20 and free agency is expensive and rarely available.
Dach is the closest to a true star. Boq seems to be developing into a specialist but not a true elite dman. The rest of the d crop looks like 3-6 dmen. I’d like to know what Stan is going to do to find the true stars for the roster.

 

[Pez68]

This team needs true superstar prospects. It’s good to see the depth they are developing, but the top teams have true stars on their roster with depth.

Where are they going to get that? It’s hard to find those drafting 10-20 and free agency is expensive and rarely available.
Dach is the closest to a true star. Boq seems to be developing into a specialist but not a true elite dman. The rest of the d crop looks like 3-6 dmen. I’d like to know what Stan is going to do to find the true stars for the roster.

You just have to get lucky. There's no magic formula. Even drafting in the top 10 doesn't guarantee you superstar talent.

I'd also argue that you don't need "superstars" to be a top team. It helps, but plenty of teams without superstars at the top of the league. Vegas and Carolina come to mind.

 

[goldenbladz1]

You just have to get lucky. There's no magic formula. Even drafting in the top 10 doesn't guarantee you superstar talent.

I'd also argue that you don't need "superstars" to be a top team. It helps, but plenty of teams without superstars at the top of the league. Vegas and Carolina come to mind.

I was thinking the same. Teams have to get lucky with picks

Kyle Connor 17th
Barzal 16th
Oshie 24th
Dcat 39th
Pastrnak 25th
S.Aho 35th
Guentzel 77th
Kucherov 58th
Marchand 71st
Point 79th
Mark Stone 178th

 

[RememberTheRoar]

You just have to get lucky. There's no magic formula. Even drafting in the top 10 doesn't guarantee you superstar talent.

I'd also argue that you don't need "superstars" to be a top team. It helps, but plenty of teams without superstars at the top of the league. Vegas and Carolina come to mind.

Mark Stone, Aho, and Svechnikov are pretty close to superstar -- but ya, they're probably at that star level. I'd say that's where DeBrincat currently is (with a strong potential to become a superstar, like Svechnikov), and I'm hopeful that Dach will be in that star category.

 

[hawksfan50]

2 potential superstar franchise goalies...Wallstedt and Cossa ...coukd get BOA that way at #11 or #12(Wallstedt probably goes top ten but it is certainly a top 15 BPA class with 2 elite goakie prospects so going 11th or 12th h woukd not bea stretch.. He may be even better than Wallstedt..


Also...if Walkstedt falls to #11 Hawks might trade down a few spots to 13 or 14 for a price...maybe Cossa still there too or maybe they woukd be happy with sonevposition okayer + the sweetener for moving down...

Thus if CGY getts 2 wins from their 3 games remaining Hawks will draft 12th in that case (unless they get lucky and win a lotto draw).

So indeed it is not automatic you can not get superstars at #11 or #12....That vs more unlikely with position players...granted..but in a "goalie" draft like this one with 2 definitive top 15 overall talents in goal ...it IS an exceptional chance at a franchise goalie.


I know we signed Soderblom..but if nothing left on board at #11 or #12 projects to potential suoerstar class ...then you look for that in goaltender talent. So Hawks may go that opportunity..it does not come often to the Hawks...usually goalies are not taken thisvhigh... but with 2 gem netminders up for grabs in the first half of the draft,thus draft IS a "goalie exception draft"...differentvthan most otger drafts.

I would consider McTavish or Lambos as a potential selection atv#11or 12..but if bone gone...even if both available ...you have gotvto consider taking a potential franchise goalie if either or both Wallstedt or Cossa still there.
So keep this in mind.

 

[kmwtrucks]

I think with our 3 guys in the mid to late 20;s and 18 year old commerso and 21 arvid who was the best young goalie prospect out there you either take a guy you love at 11-12 or if the goalies are there trade down 3-4 spots and pick up a extra 2nd.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

You take a skater because even if they don’t max out their ceiling they can be a big contributor. Goalies need to be starters or it’s a bad pick.

Frolik was taken tenth. He didn’t hit his potential. He was still absolutely a big contributor to a cup winning team.