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does that mean once a team is mathematically eliminated, they start gaining lottery points by winning games? The team with the most wins gets to pick first? If so, that could be cool and be something that actually makes the season watchable for shitty teams. However, being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs usually happens only a few days/weeks before the end of the season
 
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Feels gimmicky to me and doesn't really stop tanking. It could even make management be even more egregious with tank moves when they start to get close to being eliminated.

Want to stop tanking use a draft lottery or a non-weighted lottery or merge with the AHL and allow relegation. But the NHL doesn't actually want to stop tanking they just want to stop the appearance of tanking.
 
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knuck said:
does that mean once a team is mathematically eliminated, they start gaining lottery points by winning games? The team with the most wins gets to pick first? If so, that could be cool and be something that actually makes the season watchable for shitty teams. However, being mathematically eliminated from the playoffs usually happens only a few days/weeks before the end of the season
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And are those points then weighed by a percentage based on how many potential points your team could garner compared to another that might be eliminated 5 games later? Great ingenuity? Sorta not really at all, and just another band-aid on the problem in the NHL of too many teams making actual consistent competitive play for the Cup a pipe dream for decades for many teams.
 
The Great Weal said:
Damn you guys are really losing your minds when we got completely dominated by a team without their best player and lost 13 in a row. We suck, we will draft very high, and there is no set range we need to be in (based on realistic rankings) for this draft like last year.
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I think the top 3 forwards go top 5 (6 latest) so there is a set goal imo.
 
Runner77 said:
Liking any solution that minimizes tanking. NHL needed to address it.

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err...wouldn't this mean the worst team stay being the worst teams as they will get the worst draft picks (besides the teams that make the playoffs)? And will, by default, make the teams who just missed the playoffs, and those that do make the playoffs, continue to be the best teams in the league?
 
Runner77 said:
Liking any solution that minimizes tanking. NHL needed to address it.

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No they don't need to address it. The subsequent competition would just starve some teams to death. Naturally ass-backward leagues will try it, but it's not the same with 32 teams and soon to be 36.
 
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err...wouldn't this mean the worst team stay being the worst teams as they will get the worst draft picks (besides the teams that make the playoffs)? And will, by default, make the teams who just missed the playoffs, and those that do make the playoffs, continue to be the best teams in the league?
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more like the best sandbaggers will benefit.
 
pepperMonkey said:
err...wouldn't this mean the worst team stay being the worst teams as they will get the worst draft picks (besides the teams that make the playoffs)? And will, by default, make the teams who just missed the playoffs, and those that do make the playoffs, continue to be the best teams in the league?
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The PWHL only has 6 teams and there isn't that much difference between them. The team currently in the spot to get the 1oa has the top scorer in the league and the 5th one, let in the least goals in 12 games and have the 2nd best goalie in league. But somehow, NYC is 8 pts behind Montréal with a single game in hand...

That system wouldn't work with a larger league, they would probably go for a lottery system at that point.
 
morhilane said:
That system wouldn't work with a larger league, they would probably go for a lottery system at that point.
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The idea is to find a system that works. That fans end up rooting for losses while the head coach doesn’t give two craps about it, creates misaligned expectations.

I wish there were a way to make the pursuit of wins matter for every team until full completion of the regular schedule.
 
The Great Weal said:
We are already 6th at the moment and it’s highly unlikely we go are any higher pre lottery.
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According to you, which ultimately means nothing. We have the hardest schedule in the league to close the last 23 games. Arizona and Ottawa are literally right there in the standings and CBJ is 6 points back with 2 games in hand. We just got dominated by one of the teams we're 'unlikely' to pass and goalied them out of a win. 'Highly unlikely' indeed.
 
Walksss said:
According to you, which ultimately means nothing. We have the hardest schedule in the league to close the last 23 games. Arizona and Ottawa are literally right there in the standings and CBJ is 6 points back with 2 games in hand. We just got dominated by one of the teams we're 'unlikely' to pass and goalied them out of a win. 'Highly unlikely' indeed.
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Even if that's the case, who do you pick at #7 ?

Gonna be between Eiserman, Catton & Iginla I think. Otherwise we can always pick Parekh or Buium
 
Walksss said:
According to you, which ultimately means nothing. We have the hardest schedule in the league to close the last 23 games. Arizona and Ottawa are literally right there in the standings and CBJ is 6 points back with 2 games in hand. We just got dominated by one of the teams we're 'unlikely' to pass and goalied them out of a win. 'Highly unlikely' indeed.
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When I say “any higher” I’m talking about drafting later than 6, as in 7-15, so a higher number.
 
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Runner77 said:
The idea is to find a system that works. That fans end up rooting for losses while the head coach doesn’t give two craps about it, creates misaligned expectations.

I wish there were a way to make the pursuit of wins matter for every team until full completion of the regular schedule.
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Tanking is not even a problem to begin. It's a natural cycle and it's there to give the worst teams the best options at rebuilding.

Why do you think it's a problem? Lets begin with this...

If the league wants to ensure teams play up to their standards till the end, they have all the tools necessary to do it already. That's what performance bonuses should be for.
 
vokiel said:
Even if that's the case, who do you pick at #7 ?

Gonna be between Eiserman, Catton & Iginla I think. Otherwise we can always pick Parekh or Buium
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I'd rather have as many options as possible rather than win meaningless games. I'm hoping to not be doing this next year so let's just get the high end player now.
 
I propose a 2nd playoffs for trash teams.
The trash playoffs if you will.
The winner of the trash playoffs wins the 1st overall pick.

It’s genius and adds more games, more revenue.
Maybe even trash crests for the jerseys.
Sponsored by Glad trash bags.

GLAD TRASH BAGS PRESENTS THE NHL TRASH PLAYOFFS FOR THE TRASH CUP​

SPONSORED BY GLAD TRASH BAGS.
 
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vokiel said:
Even if that's the case, who do you pick at #7 ?

Gonna be between Eiserman, Catton & Iginla I think. Otherwise we can always pick Parekh or Buium
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I think after 1OA it will be a total toss up, teams will likely select based on position of need D vs F
 
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