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HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

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Lshap

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LaP said:
Yet despite that still one of the worst teams since 98.

Yes they did have success under Price because well he was a 5th overall pick that reached his full potential. But we got that pick because we lucked out in the strikeout Crosby lottery (we should have been drafting something like 20th if i recall correctly).

Hoping for your team to win when it's not a good team has always been weird to me. When we had a first line made of Zubrus, Zholtok and Petrov and we were winning more games than we should on the back of AHLers and Journeymen who were giving it all to make it we should have been icing prospects and lose. Yet our fans were cheering for Sergei Zholtok and Oleg petrov and i was like WTF is wrong with those guys. That team made of AHLers and Journeymen was good enough to make us draft outside the top 10 yet clearly without any doubt not good enough to make the playoffs. That was a big waste of time.

I will never understand how a fan of hockey (first and foremost) can't enjoy young skilled players develop while losing because of a lack of experience. For me it's much more enjoyable to watch Caufield, Dach and Guhle lose games because they are not there yet than watch Sergei Zholtok and Oleg Petrov win games (yet miss the playoffs) because it's their last chance to cash out.
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Sure, if you want to go back 20 years, I agree those Habs rosters ultimately gave us nothing. However, I won't lump the more recent teams with them, which is why I can't dismiss an entire quarter century as bad. It really wasn't. By every measure, a few Habs teams had real success.

Point is you can appreciate a rebuild while still enjoying individual games, moments, Cinderella playoff runs, etc. There are no strict rules for when to cheer. I mean, if you need the Habs to be a real contender before cheering for a win, what's the point of watching a single game in the last 30 years?
 
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We will be 10th place by end of night…

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Good news is Calgary, Pittsburgh and New Jersey all won. Bad news is Buffalo lost.

With this win, we passed Buffalo & Arizona. We sit 9th in the draft order.

We are one point back of Calgary & Washington. 2 pts back of Seattle, and 3 pts back of Pittsburgh, and New Jersey. All those teams have games in hand on Montreal except for Calgary & Seattle.
 
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Lafleurs Guy

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MarkovsKnee said:
Good news is Calgary, Pittsburgh and New Jersey all won. Bad news is Buffalo lost.

With this win, we passed Buffalo & Arizona. We sit 9th in the draft order.

We are one point back of Calgary & Washington. 2 pts back of Seattle, and 3 pts back of Pittsburgh, and New Jersey. All those teams have games in hand on Montreal except for Calgary & Seattle.
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Our schedule gets tougher though right?

I mean Washington sucks. There’s just no way we keep winning without Monahan.

Just looked- we play a lot of crappy teams until March. Sheesh.
 
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The Great Weal

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Hopefully, the Jets completely implode like how they did last year after a good start.
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Us singing this song to Celebrini, Lindstrom and Demidov.

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There are 32 games left lol. People here were convinced we would go on a tear to become 11th last and give Arizona our 1st for the Dvorak trade, we didn't and ended up dead last. People then were convinced that we would be outside the bottom 10, we didn't and ended up bottom 5. We aren't getting Celebrini/Lindstrom unless we win the lottery and the teams ahead of us will draft dmen. The draft class falls off after Celebrini so the tank is mostly to keep increasing our odds for Celebrini, and it's going to be 0.5-1% odd increase the lower we stand.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Hopefully, the Jets completely implode like how they did last year after a good start.

There are 32 games left lol. People here were convinced we would go on a tear to become 11th last and give Arizona our 1st for the Dvorak trade, we didn't and ended up dead last. People then were convinced that we would be outside the bottom 10, we didn't and ended up bottom 5. We aren't getting Celebrini/Lindstrom unless we win the lottery and the teams ahead of us will draft dmen. The draft class falls off after Celebrini so the tank is mostly to keep increasing our odds for Celebrini, and it's going to be 0.5-1% odd increase the lower we stand.
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it sounds like there are some really good forwards after celebrini ( Lindstrom, Demidov, Eiserman, Helenius, Iginla). I'd like to get as high a pick as possible to chose the one the scouts believe the most in. Or if they think there's a heskinenen or Makar near the top, might as well grab him top 5.
 
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The Great Weal said:
Hopefully, the Jets completely implode like how they did last year after a good start.

There are 32 games left lol. People here were convinced we would go on a tear to become 11th last and give Arizona our 1st for the Dvorak trade, we didn't and ended up dead last. People then were convinced that we would be outside the bottom 10, we didn't and ended up bottom 5. We aren't getting Celebrini/Lindstrom unless we win the lottery and the teams ahead of us will draft dmen. The draft class falls off after Celebrini so the tank is mostly to keep increasing our odds for Celebrini, and it's going to be 0.5-1% odd increase the lower we stand.
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The draft is all over the place. I've seen Lidstrom as high as 5th and low as 10th. Eiserman 2nd and as low as 8th... Even if we're say 7th, we still have a great shot at a stong prospect. Demidov, Catton, Eiserman, Lidstrom... at least one of those guys would still be available.
 
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26Mats said:
it sounds like there are some really good forwards after celebrini ( Lindstrom, Demidov, Eiserman, Helenius, Iginla). I'd like to get as high a pick as possible to chose the one the scouts believe the most in. Or if they think there's a heskinenen or Makar near the top, might as well grab him top 5.
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I don't think we can take a defenseman. If we do that, then we really do have to trade one away.... I'd much rather we just pick a forward if possible.

And in this kind of draft I think we might actually be able to trade up a few spots. There are so many good prospects in the top ten. If we through in some young blueliners/picks we could probably move up. We won't be able to move up to first of course, but if we say wanted to pick 3rd or 4th we might be able to if we've got the 7th to trade away.
 
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I don't think we can take a defenseman. If we do that, then we really do have to trade one away.... I'd much rather we just pick a forward if possible.

And in this kind of draft I think we might actually be able to trade up a few spots. There are so many good prospects in the top ten. If we through in some young blueliners/picks we could probably move up. We won't be able to move up to first of course, but if we say wanted to pick 3rd or 4th we might be able to if we've got the 7th to trade away.
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I like the posters example of taking Hedman over Matt Duchene if that's the choice. I still believe in BPA, unless the scouts really can't tell apples from oranges and have the two players equally rated.
 
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