HF Habs: The official 2023-2024 tank thread

[Sorinth]

We were 5th OA last year and were flat out terrible, but lately it seems like there are more flat out terrible teams then usual. The Habs have been among the leagues worst in RW, so it's neat to see that they can score when it's 3 on 3 and in the Shootout but what good does it do if they can't win those games in regulation?

Flat out terrible teams shouldn't even be getting to OT, and it's not like those OT games are mostly from us pulling the goalie and tying up the game late, in fact we very often have a lead in the 3rd period and then just fail to close out the game in regulation. Getting to that point shows that we aren't flat out terrible, because flat out terrible teams don't usually have leads in the 3rd period, they are usually losing early and never tie it up let alone take the lead.

Why use regulation wins instead of regulation losses? We are tied for 21st in regulation losses, which to me implies we aren't flat out terrible because there's about 10 teams who lose more then us.

Since MSL took over we are a .441 team, that's just not the record I would consider to be flat out terrible. Now that doesn't mean we are good, but there's a big gap between good or even average and flat out terrible.

 

[HuGort]

We still draft 8th but if we had lost Colorado game it be 6th. As Buffalo and Wild would have passed us.

 

[Habs 4 Life]

We still draft 8th but if we had lost Colorado game it be 6th. As Buffalo and Wild would have passed us.

I think the next 4 games are big, especially the 2 against the Sens!! We all know we are beating the Devils and Bruins!!

 

[HuGort]

I think the next 4 games are big, especially the 2 against the Sens!! We all know we are beating the Devils and Bruins!!

Even if we lose both games to Sens I can't see them catching us. They are 13 points behind us.

Hard to make up that kind of ground. Oilers have won 10 in a row and currently tied with Seattle for final playoff spot in west.

I can't see us drafting any higher than 6th. Below that are Sharks, Hawks, Sens, Jackets and Ducks.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The Sens are irredeemably bad

 

[Riggins]

Yotes and Flames to OT, that's a nice result for us. We need these teams and the Blues to definitely stay ahead of us. Then hopefully the Sabres and Wild pass us at some point.

 

[David Suzuki]

The Sens are irredeemably bad

No reason for them to even have a team just fold them they don't even deserve a relocation

 

[Rozz]

I'm hoping for some nice regulation losses in the next few games... but, I'm not sure how we keep winning .. like f*** .. the leafs make losing look so easy! how they do it?!

 

[salbutera]

I'm hoping for some nice regulation losses in the next few games... but, I'm not sure how we keep winning .. like f*** .. the leafs make losing look so easy! how they do it?!

By simply focusing on offense..

 

[HuGort]

No reason for them to even have a team just fold them they don't even deserve a relocation

I hope Ottawa turns it around. The core is there. They got some good young players

Plus, They'll get a high pick in this draft.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I'm hoping for some nice regulation losses in the next few games... but, I'm not sure how we keep winning .. like f*** .. the leafs make losing look so easy! how they do it?!

We have defense and goaltending. Our defense is green but it's a thousand times better than theirs.

 

[morhilane]

I'm hoping for some nice regulation losses in the next few games... but, I'm not sure how we keep winning .. like f*** .. the leafs make losing look so easy! how they do it?!

Let see:
- lots of efforts,
- MLS is a much better coach than some poster are giving him credit for and he is able to get a lot out of his players
- at least try to play defense

Also, against the Avs, MSL went back to "win at any cost" instead of the "lets try to get to OT and win it there" he started to fall into the last few months.

If he continue to coach like that and the team continue to show up, the tankers can say goodbye to their tank.

 

[salbutera]

Let see:
- lots of efforts,
- MLS is a much better coach than some poster are giving him credit for and he is able to get a lot out of his players
- at least try to play defense

Also, against the Avs, MSL went back to "win at any cost" instead of the "lets try to get to OT and win it there" he started to fall into the last few months.

If he continue to coach like that and the team continue to show up, the tankers can say goodbye to their tank.

The key being significant development milestones reached by key assets: Slaf, Guhle, Struble, and contribution by vets (Monahan, Gallagher, Armia)

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Let see:
- lots of efforts,
- MLS is a much better coach than some poster are giving him credit for and he is able to get a lot out of his players
- at least try to play defense

Also, against the Avs, MSL went back to "win at any cost" instead of the "lets try to get to OT and win it there" he started to fall into the last few months.

If he continue to coach like that and the team continue to show up, the tankers can say goodbye to their tank.

All that and the good teams always play like shit against the Habs.

 

[BLONG7]

The Sens are irredeemably bad

They have been forever.......................that said, they usually spank the habs. We never have an answer for their heavy type of game.........pi$$es me off.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I think Habs have high chance to finish low. Not in bottom 5, but bottom 6-8, yeah for sure. So if we finish in that range, Habs will secure a another top 10 pick for 3 years consecutive.

1st - 2022: Slafkovsky. Great pick by scouts and Bobrov did well with his speech and he have been right. I'm a fan of Slaf before the draft, so I'm 100% happy with this player. Elite potential.

5th - 2023: Reinbacher. Fans wanted a top premiere RD, scouts did well on that aswell. The Atletic said that Habs view Reinbacher like Noah Dobson and I think it's realistic to believe that he have that type of potential. High IQ defensive at young age, great mobility, great skating and good offensive potential for sure. Top pairing D potential 100%.

Top 10 - 2024: ?!?! I hope a forward!

 

[bcv]

With that many assets and a draft that has a depth of both high end forward and high end defensemen, I have a hunch that HuGo will be able and interested in trading up if they end up outside of the top6, which would explain why he didn't seem to mind winning meaningless games, on top of not cultivating a losing culture.

 

[Runner77]

Let see:
- lots of efforts,
- MLS is a much better coach than some poster are giving him credit for and he is able to get a lot out of his players
- at least try to play defense

Also, against the Avs, MSL went back to "win at any cost" instead of the "lets try to get to OT and win it there" he started to fall into the last few months.

If he continue to coach like that and the team continue to show up, the tankers can say goodbye to their tank.

While there is no app for that, there now is a place for anti-tanker prophesies: 2024 playoffs: the believe thread

May I humbly suggest to go forth and multiply therein to your heart’s content, good sir!

 

[montreal]

Flat out terrible teams shouldn't even be getting to OT, and it's not like those OT games are mostly from us pulling the goalie and tying up the game late, in fact we very often have a lead in the 3rd period and then just fail to close out the game in regulation. Getting to that point shows that we aren't flat out terrible, because flat out terrible teams don't usually have leads in the 3rd period, they are usually losing early and never tie it up let alone take the lead.

Why use regulation wins instead of regulation losses? We are tied for 21st in regulation losses, which to me implies we aren't flat out terrible because there's about 10 teams who lose more then us.

Since MSL took over we are a .441 team, that's just not the record I would consider to be flat out terrible. Now that doesn't mean we are good, but there's a big gap between good or even average and flat out terrible.

you use RW because there's no 3 on 3 or SO in the playoffs so if you want to look honestly at your team that's the way to go along with goal DIF imo.

 

[Sorinth]

you use RW because there's no 3 on 3 or SO in the playoffs so if you want to look honestly at your team that's the way to go along with goal DIF imo.

That doesn't explain why regulation losses wouldn't be just as valid of a stat since it also ignores 3on3 and SO. And I'd actually argue it's better because even if the OT/Shootout record is a gimmick, actually getting to OT means your team was in the game which is a valuable part of determining just how good/bad a team is.

 

[montreal]

That doesn't explain why regulation losses wouldn't be just as valid of a stat since it also ignores 3on3 and SO. And I'd actually argue it's better because even if the OT/Shootout record is a gimmick, actually getting to OT means your team was in the game which is a valuable part of determining just how good/bad a team is.

winning is hard so I guess I just place more importance on it, over the full season it should sort of even out since you have a team that can't score when it's not 2 players (as I got to believe Monahan is traded), their goaltending seems to be playing over their heads at least imo, they score a lot less then they give up which says a lot as well which is why I feel goal DIF usually tells the tale outside of a team here or there that bucks the trend and say makes the playoffs despite a not so good goal DIF.

We'll see what happens but whenever I do get around to watching them I think we are in for a lot of trouble until the youth gets a lot better.

 

[Runner77]

Now that we have a playoffs thread to counterbalance this one, I wonder if there shouldn’t be a third thread for those who want to see the team improve every which way but who fear …

 

[hardcorehabs]

Is Montembeau for real? Is he a top 10 goalie in the NHL on a good team?

Over the past season and a half, he’s single handily ruining the tank and maybe we should start to assume he’s for real?

 

[rahad]

Is Montembeau for real? Is he a top 10 goalie in the NHL on a good team?

Over the past season and a half, he’s single handily ruining the tank and maybe we should start to assume he’s for real?

Seriously.... i took he would have calm down after signing his contract with the habs.

 

[habsfan891]

Yet another uncessary win only good thing is it was all young guys scoring