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kingsfan said:
I'll preface this by saying I think people killing animals for fun are dicks and should be having their heads examined, not out collecting trophy kills. I agree with you.

Now that said, if you ever watch 10 minutes of Nat'l Geographic or the nature channel, you'll see lions and all other predators sneak up on weaker prey all the time. They'll get as close to an animal as they can. And if a lion had thumbs and fingers, they'd use a gun if they could too.

Humans in general have NEVER taken a knife and walked up to a lion single handed unless they had a death wish. Man has always hunted in packs and would hunt from a distance as often as they could. Spears, slings, bows and arrows, etc. are all part of the weapons arsenal of hunting parties from the past. Archeology tells us this.

The issue has nothing to do with using a gun, it has to do with the trophy kill.
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So gladiators never took swords to fight the lions? I think they did and I think that they did as individuals too. I also think that there are probably people throughout history who have hunted down a lion tiger bear etc as individuals who were posing a serious enough of a threat to where they had no other choice.

I am just saying that in todays world there isn't any point to hunting and killing lions for "sport" it is sad and lame. Same goes with bears etc. Certainly there are exceptions to every rule but for the most part it is bunk. Also you are speculating that Lions would use guns. They are pack hunters and so are several other species from fish to foul and I don't think that makes them all blind killers who hunt for sport.

Coyotes are one of the very few animals that hunt not only in a pack but do so at times simply for the act of killing. They don't always kill for food. Everything else as far as the vast majority is concerned kill for food.

I am not saying that Lions and other predators aren't total dicks at times or at least that some of them might be, only that hunting animals for "sport" is a cowardly act and that we are supposedly more evolved then everything else on the planet.

If a lion or a pack of lions or other predator was trying to kill me or my family or my neighbors use a gun a rocket an 18 wheeler or whatever else you can find and kill them. But I agree with you that trophy killing is for losers and cowards. Earn the kill, go up with a knife and if you walk away you are the king.

WHAT ONE MAN CAN DO ANOTHER CAN DO, SAY IT!!!!
 
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Boba Fettuccine said:
Say what again!
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Boba Fettuccine said:
How will the Salvation Army feel about that?
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They knew that I was in the business before...but since I didn't go through the training college...I think it's all right... I do have an arrangement that I'll can still do kettles every year...

There's a little irregularity in my time with the mortuary that they never removed my name from the active employee roster after I moved from Huntington Beach to Las Vegas... Considering I only worked for them 12 years and I'm coming back as a 25 year employee with six weeks paid vacation... Any guesses on when at least four of those weeks will be???:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
King RAZZ said:
They knew that I was in the business before...but since I didn't go through the training college...I think it's all right... I do have an arrangement that I'll can still do kettles every year...

There's a little irregularity in my time with the mortuary that they never removed my name from the active employee roster after I moved from Huntington Beach to Las Vegas... Considering I only worked for them 12 years and I'm coming back as a 25 year employee with six weeks paid vacation... Any guesses on when at least four of those weeks will be???:laugh::laugh::laugh:
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After your first week back?
 
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I might need to plan a username around this pic

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Ron said:
OK.

I bet you were hovering over the "submit" button...wondering, should I or shouldn't I?

Glad you did. Made me laugh. :)
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No, I mashed the buttons to launch that torpedo lickity split. But I'll admit that as soon as it was away I wondered, "Did I go too far?"
 
417th said:
So gladiators never took swords to fight the lions? I think they did and I think that they did as individuals too. I also think that there are probably people throughout history who have hunted down a lion tiger bear etc as individuals who were posing a serious enough of a threat to where they had no other choice.

I am just saying that in todays world there isn't any point to hunting and killing lions for "sport" it is sad and lame. Same goes with bears etc. Certainly there are exceptions to every rule but for the most part it is bunk. Also you are speculating that Lions would use guns. They are pack hunters and so are several other species from fish to foul and I don't think that makes them all blind killers who hunt for sport.

Coyotes are one of the very few animals that hunt not only in a pack but do so at times simply for the act of killing. They don't always kill for food. Everything else as far as the vast majority is concerned kill for food.

I am not saying that Lions and other predators aren't total dicks at times or at least that some of them might be, only that hunting animals for "sport" is a cowardly act and that we are supposedly more evolved then everything else on the planet.

If a lion or a pack of lions or other predator was trying to kill me or my family or my neighbors use a gun a rocket an 18 wheeler or whatever else you can find and kill them. But I agree with you that trophy killing is for losers and cowards. Earn the kill, go up with a knife and if you walk away you are the king.

WHAT ONE MAN CAN DO ANOTHER CAN DO, SAY IT!!!!
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Again, overall I agree with you, it was a dick kill, but the issue with it was the kill itself, not the weapon used.

And it's not really good the lone example you can find of hand to hand combat against a lion is a gladiator. That was sport hunting 2,000 really, complete with a colusseum to cheer for the hunter. That doesn't count the gladiators that were forced into fighting in the first place, many of which were. So again, a real death wish (or forced death wish).
 
kingsfan said:
Again, overall I agree with you, it was a dick kill, but the issue with it was the kill itself, not the weapon used.

And it's not really good the lone example you can find of hand to hand combat against a lion is a gladiator. That was sport hunting 2,000 really, complete with a colusseum to cheer for the hunter. That doesn't count the gladiators that were forced into fighting in the first place, many of which were. So again, a real death wish (or forced death wish).
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We are both saying the same thing (and I agree about the gladiators, I just couldn't resist) but the weapon for me isn't the issue it is the proximity and the notion that it is somehow sporting to shoot an animal that is so far away from you. I looked around and have found several recent examples of different situations where a man has killed a bear or believe it or not moose with a hunting knife. When I say several to put it into perspective I found 11 bear kills with a hunting knife or where a weapon was used in hand to hand combat (one guy used an arrow and a stone that were on the ground). Of course all of those situations where acts of self defense and not hunting but to me they were at least fair enough matches.

I think it takes a real tool to get some sort of kick out of shooting a gun or an arrow etc at an animal and killing it for sport especially when their is no real intention of eating the thing that you have killed. I guess I just find the idea of hunting without necessity to be a bunch of pseudo fey macho posturing and trophy hunting doubly so. Kill a deer and eat the meat? Whatever. Kill a gazelle because its head will look really *****in over your mantle? Nonsense.

Still F me and my opinion on the matter ultimately. I mean I fish every now and then when I can go to the store and by all the fish I could ever want to eat so I know that I am on some level being hypocritical. I guess the difference is that I don't pay good money to go out and try to kill the rarest fish on the planet so I can get a taxidermy bust of it to hang on my wall. Differing shades of grey I guess.
 
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