The NHL and Habs unveil Montreal's quarter century team

[Ozmodiar]

Just hi-lights how weak we have been.

And how good the goaltending was.

1 trip to Finals
2 trips to conf finals
One 1st place in conf
Twice 2nd place in conf

 

[417]

Weber over Subban is insane.

Subban had 55 playoff games with the Habs and picked up 38pts. I think he led the Habs in playoff points every season too. He was a huge contributor and for a longer time and hit higher highs personally.

Pacioretty should be on the first team over Plekanec, you're right.
Souray hit higher highs than Petry so I get that one.

It really is...I don't know what PK did to this organization behind closed doors, but they're clearly still cheesed lol

 

[CHwest]

And how good the goaltending was.

1 trip to Finals
2 trips to conf finals
One 1st place in conf
Twice 2nd place in conf

Basically Price's Canadiens, and the trip to the finals doesn't impress me at all. Penguins handed us the first round, they just wanted to go home. It was an epic lining up of the stars, if we had been in our own division we would not have even made the playoffs.

 

[MXD]

as a roman hamrlik defender i woulda put him over souray

And I would'Ve put Petry over both. Petry played significantly more games here than both.

 

[MXD]

Neither should Cammaleri.

Caufield has exceeded anything MC did with the Habs.
- total points and goals
- point and goal season high
- went farther in playoffs

If Gallagher had a challenger, it’s him.

It's still probably more Danault if you don't restrict it to wingers. But of course Caufield is well ahead of Cammalleri. I'm not even sure Cammalleri deserves to be ahead of Gionta to be honest.

 

[donghabs98]

Who's on your quarter-century team?

 

[MXD]

I think old geezers like me will agree; these 2 all star teams are just plain said.
Of all the guys there, probably only Price cracks the 2nd team of the previous 25 years.

I'll take a stab at it

Lafleur - Carbonneau - Shutt - Robinson - Chelios - Roy
Damphousse - Smith - Gainey - Lapointe - Savard - Dryden

I tried to have a center on every team. If I don't have that requirement, switch Smith with Naslund. Carbo is also probably on the second team, with ... I guess Gainey going to the first?

75 is a super tough cut off, because it cuts right in the middle of a significant part of the late 70ies dynasty. Can't have Cournoyer on the basis of his last 4 seasons only. Can't realy have Jacques Lemaire since he only played around 250 games, compared to more than 600 for everyone else on that team. Eric Desjardins really should have been on that team over one of Lapointe or Savard but was traded for f***ing Doctor Recchi.

Carey Price probably has a claim over Dryden.

 

[the]

1st team

Koivu
Kovalev
Plekanec
Subban
Markov
Price

2nd team

Suzuki
Pacioretty
Ryder
Weber
Hamrlik
Theodore

HM: Souray, Streit, Halak, Petry, Cammalleri.

 

[JianYang]

It's still probably more Danault if you don't restrict it to wingers. But of course Caufield is well ahead of Cammalleri. I'm not even sure Cammalleri deserves to be ahead of Gionta to be honest.

Cammalleri gets bonus points for his playoffs.

What often gets lost in halak's heroics in 2010 is that cammalleri led the league for playoff goals that year too.

Then he scored another 10 points in 7 playoff games the following year.

29 points in 26 career playoff games with the Habs in total.

I love the guys who find another gear in the post season.

 

[MXD]

Cammalleri gets bonus points for his playoffs.

What often gets lost in halak's heroics in 2010 is that cammalleri led the league for playoff goals that year too.

Then he scored another 10 points in 7 playoff games the following year.

29 points in 26 career playoff games with the Habs in total.

I love the guys who find another gear in the post season.

That's not enough games played anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Basically Price's Canadiens, and the trip to the finals doesn't impress me at all. Penguins handed us the first round, they just wanted to go home. It was an epic lining up of the stars, if we had been in our own division we would not have even made the playoffs.

Yeah, things lined up nicely in ‘86 and ‘93 as well.

 

[JianYang]

That's not enough games played anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

That's fine, the only point I'm making was that he made his mark despite only being with the club for less than three seasons when it counted most.... and I think that aspect of his game got lost in time.

 

[JianYang]

I'll take a stab at it

Lafleur - Carbonneau - Shutt - Robinson - Chelios - Roy
Damphousse - Smith - Gainey - Lapointe - Savard - Dryden

I tried to have a center on every team. If I don't have that requirement, switch Smith with Naslund. Carbo is also probably on the second team, with ... I guess Gainey going to the first?

75 is a super tough cut off, because it cuts right in the middle of a significant part of the late 70ies dynasty. Can't have Cournoyer on the basis of his last 4 seasons only. Can't realy have Jacques Lemaire since he only played around 250 games, compared to more than 600 for everyone else on that team. Eric Desjardins really should have been on that team over one of Lapointe or Savard but was traded for f***ing Doctor Recchi.

Carey Price probably has a claim over Dryden.

If souray can get on the board for his 26 goal season, I have no problem with considering lemaire even if he only qualifies for about 5 years of that 25 year window.

 

[MXD]

If souray can get on the board for his 26 goal season, I have no problem with considering lemaire even if he only qualifies for about 5 years of that 25 year window.

The problem with this is, I'm pretty sure Naslund's best individual season is also better than Lemaire's best individual season (during that 4 season timespan for Lemaire anyways). Smith... it's arguable. And Lemaire is absolutely not beating Damphousse to a spot on that team.

 

[Theodore450]

Yeah the Habs had a lot of success since he’s retired eh?

You don’t think Suzuki learned anything from having Weber there?

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

I’d have Suzuki over Pleks and PK over Weber. My only addition/subtraction would be Hamrlik over Souray.

 

[ReHabs]

You don’t think Suzuki learned anything from having Weber there?

That’s not what you said though. I saw a team with a bunch of losers like Hoffman and Drouin not give a damn as we sank to the worst season in Habs history. There was zero lasting effect of Weber’s magical leadership. It left the moment he did. He didn’t affect any change onto the club.

I’m glad he imprinted some lessons into Suzuki, it’s the least the captain can do to the next captain.

 

[FerrisRox]

what a pathetic collection of talent for 25 years.

Two Hart trophy winners, two Vezina trophy winners and a Norris trophy winner and you think it's pathetic?

That's an interesting take. How many other teams can make that claim?

 

[FerrisRox]

I'm not sure how to reply to this post since it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm sorry you're so upset with whatever you think the team is doing unrelated to hockey.

He also seems to think the "team" is doing whatever he thinks is being done. The team didn't pick these Quarter Century Teams.

 

[FerrisRox]

It really is...I don't know what PK did to this organization behind closed doors, but they're clearly still cheesed lol

These teams are not picked by the organization.

Basically Price's Canadiens, and the trip to the finals doesn't impress me at all. Penguins handed us the first round, they just wanted to go home. It was an epic lining up of the stars, if we had been in our own division we would not have even made the playoffs.

The Canadiens played the Maple Leafs in the first round.

 

[Theodore450]

That’s not what you said though. I saw a team with a bunch of losers like Hoffman and Drouin not give a damn as we sank to the worst season in Habs history. There was zero lasting effect of Weber’s magical leadership. It left the moment he did. He didn’t affect any change onto the club.

I’m glad he imprinted some lessons into Suzuki, it’s the least the captain can do to the next captain.

So you agree with me? Caufield and Suzuki learned a lot from the last core? Especially the captain .

Like we all know that the habs team overachieved because they wanted to win for the captain and goalie.
If you think that didn’t have a long term impact on some of the guys idk what to tell you.

Also blaming Drouin for anything is just disingenuous. Team sank because we lost our entire core and fell apart to start the season.

Followed by the rookie coach and gm tearing the team apart so they could tank for the highest pick.

How you can call them a bunch of losers when most of the team is identical is hilarious to me

 

[rickthegoon]

The previous 25 years would just be a lineup full of players from the 70s... while sprinkling in Roy and chelios from the 80s.

Yeah, Even one of the all time best ´Selke’ recipient ( Carbonneau) and our last 50 goal scorer ( Richer) would not crack the list. Same with Damphousse , Desjardins etc etc….
It’s kind of sad most people on this board never saw the previous generations of players.

 

[ReHabs]

So you agree with me? Caufield and Suzuki learned a lot from the last core? Especially the captain .

Like we all know that the habs team overachieved because they wanted to win for the captain and goalie.
If you think that didn’t have a long term impact on some of the guys idk what to tell you.

Also blaming Drouin for anything is just disingenuous. Team sank because we lost our entire core and fell apart to start the season.

Followed by the rookie coach and gm tearing the team apart so they could tank for the highest pick.

How you can call them a bunch of losers when most of the team is identical is hilarious to me

You’re laughing at something I didn’t say. I think Weber made no lasting impact on the team. There is no evidence of it.

So that argument in his favour should be pulled.

 

[Theodore450]

You’re laughing at something I didn’t say. I think Weber made no lasting impact on the team. There is no evidence of it.

So that argument in his favour should be pulled.

I can’t argue for something we can’t see I guess.

 

[CHwest]

These teams are not picked by the organization.



The Canadiens played the Maple Leafs in the first round.

You are correct, the Leaf's played them tough, it was the Jets that slept through the series because theuy wanted to go home. Terrible memory....