OT: The Music Thread Part Six

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GordonHowe

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New Jersey is very good, and underrated because it followed Slippery When Wet; which was nearly impossible to follow up. I'll Be There for You is one of the great power ballads ever, yet it, too, is somewhat underappreciated. Richie Sambora took the lead vocal live and sang it better than JBJ.

But as a huge fan of the genre, I don't know if it makes the all-time Top Ten. Of course defining hair metal gets into gray area (and I agree with you and would include Appetite). By my definition both Van Halen and Def Leppard would have multiple entries - 1984, 5150, Pyromania, Hysteria. Ratt's Out of the Cellar is all killer, no filler, Poison and Motley Crue each have worthy albums, Whitesnake '87 is near-flawless, as is Slippery When Wet, and based purely on the music, cases could easily be made for Dokken, Cinderella, White Lion, Warrant, etc.

New Jersey is very good, it just often gets overlooked due to the album it followed, and countless great albums released around the same time.

Here's Sambora:
 

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Bon Jovi was never my thing, though I respect your fandom and what you're saying here.

Never a hair band, speed metal, hardcore fellow. Twenty other genrres or subs, either. I respect them, just not my thing.

In the event, reruns, but telling ones,

Please to indulge. Discard as you may.

I've sent these bits along piecemeal in the past.

The first two speak to our circumstance. The last, though equally dark, offers, ah, hope at song's end,





 

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Bon Jovi was never my thing, though I respect your fandom and what you're saying here.

Never a hair band, speed metal, hardcore fellow. Twenty other genrres or subs, either. I respect them, just not my thing.

In the event, reruns, but telling ones,

Please to indulge. Discard as you may.

I've sent these bits along piecemeal in the past.

The first two speak to our circumstance. The last, though equally dark, offers, ah, hope at song's end,







It was a mainstay of my high school days and a dose of nostalgia today - I’m far more in line with a lot of what I’m seeing y’all post in here as an adult - but I’m also pretty eclectic in general
 
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It was a mainstay of my high school days and a dose of nostalgia today - I’m far more in line with a lot of what I’m seeing y’all post in here as an adult - but I’m also pretty eclectic in general
Of course.

What we listened to, what "spoke to" us as kids, remains.

No harm, no foul.

I loved the Carpenters, the Bee Gees, the Monkees, Neil Sedaka, ABBA, etc. right along side the Stones, the Who, Kinks, etc. The Beatles were gods.

David, whom I did not understand until Station to Station, though for a couple of reasons (Iggy, "Panic In Detroit," Bowie & Mick doing their muscular glam rock thing), Detroit understood David Bowie. David understood them right back.

Then punk, New Wave, blues, folk, electronica, classical, rap not really, though I tried with Public Enemy, and succeeded with Ice T.)

(Honestly, Eminem, as I relate as a whitie, grew up a few blocks from Detroit proper, and whatever one thinks, Marshall is a stone cold lyrical genius.)

Suis generis.

Or something.

Go,

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Aussie Bruin, for you,





Perhaps most perspicacious,









Not to put too fine a point on it,







Aussie time...





Love it! Overkill is my favorite Men At Work song. INXS in their prime were very very good. Nick Cave is a legend.

Courtney Barnett though, well here I have a personal connection. 13 years ago I was in a band. We weren't great, and had no pretensions of stardom, just solid and playing music largely for the fun of it. One night we played a show with a few other acts and one of them was this girl named Courtney. Almost a complete nobody but she was clearly very talented and very committed. She caught our attention and we had a support slot available for another little gig we were headlining in a few weeks' time. We asked if she'd like to play and she did, and she supported us again at another show a couple of months later. Shortly thereafter my band wound up and I stopped being so closely in touch with what was happening in my local music scene, so I rather lost track of what she was up to.

Five years later Courtney Barnett songs suddenly started appearing on radio, and then the following year she bought out Sometimes I Sit and Think... and went massive and became an international star. So there's my one and only brush with real fame, the one act we crossed paths with over the years that really made it big time. And good on her, she's a lovely person and a great musician and songwriter. A credit to Aussie music.
 

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Bon Jovi was never my thing, though I respect your fandom and what you're saying here.

Never a hair band, speed metal, hardcore fellow. Twenty other genrres or subs, either. I respect them, just not my thing.
Bon Jovi took a lot a flak, as demonstrated by how merciless Beavis and Butthead were toward them. For a while they had it all - they wrote songs perfect for the times, sold millions of records, headlined arenas and stadiums, and Jon and Richie were heartthrobs/good looking guys.

That success bred a lot of envy, but the songs stand the test of time. I chuckle every time Livin' On a Prayer is played at a sporting event, and once the music stops, the crowd - many of whom weren't even born when it was a hit - sing a capella.

As for hair metal in general, I'll preface by saying I don't pay attention to lyrics. I'm mainly a rhythm guy, and since the Steve Albini/Steely Dan conflict was brought up, I love guitar solos. Albini was critical of the painstaking measures Steely Dan went recording guitar solos. That same level of perfectionism was sought in hair metal guitar solos, which I'm a big fan of.

What the heck - might as well share this. I write and record my own songs and here's one I just released. I also love dance music and programming drum machines, which I did on this one. There are two semi-flashy guitar solos.

This tune, as well as the album I completed last year, was mastered by an excellent engineer in Watertown named Tom Waltz. He's been a tremendous help to me getting my mixes right, too.

If anyone's interested, this is what I do when I'm not watching the Bruins. ;)

 

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Bon Jovi took a lot a flak, as demonstrated by how merciless Beavis and Butthead were toward them. For a while they had it all - they wrote songs perfect for the times, sold millions of records, headlined arenas and stadiums, and Jon and Richie were heartthrobs/good looking guys.

That success bred a lot of envy, but the songs stand the test of time. I chuckle every time Livin' On a Prayer is played at a sporting event, and once the music stops, the crowd - many of whom weren't even born when it was a hit - sing a capella.

As for hair metal in general, I'll preface by saying I don't pay attention to lyrics. I'm mainly a rhythm guy, and since the Steve Albini/Steely Dan conflict was brought up, I love guitar solos. Albini was critical of the painstaking measures Steely Dan went recording guitar solos. That same level of perfectionism was sought in hair metal guitar solos, which I'm a big fan of.

What the heck - might as well share this. I write and record my own songs and here's one I just released. I also love dance music and programming drum machines, which I did on this one. There are two semi-flashy guitar solos.

This tune, as well as the album I completed last year, was mastered by an excellent engineer in Watertown named Tom Waltz. He's been a tremendous help to me getting my mixes right, too.

If anyone's interested, this is what I do when I'm not watching the Bruins. ;)


remember, folks, Jon has always said Livin' on a Prayer was begudgingly recorded because of Desmond Child.... otherwise it likely never gets to the status it eventually did
 

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I'll preface what I've got to say by stating that musical, visual art, literature, etc. tastes are highly personal and I neither judge nor begrudge anybody for liking things I don't like.


Hated and still hate hair bands intensely. Power ballads are definitely not my bag, baby (except "Nobody's Fool" by Cinderella - I f***ing love that song).



Good on all of them for cashing in on the trend and making bazillions, though. You can tell with a lot of them in later work, what they really wanted to be doing. Also, a lot of insanely talented musicians and songwriters were in hair bands. And some absolutely lovely people, too. JBJ is the real deal. Slash is a sweetheart.


Re. Aussie Rock, three tracks from my faves. Dave Faulkner is a golden god.







"Don't Change" is the only INXS track I ever loved. A handful of others I don't loathe. Just never got them.

And as far as I'm concerned, there's one AC/DC track that lords over all others.

 

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Love it! Overkill is my favorite Men At Work song. INXS in their prime were very very good. Nick Cave is a legend.

Courtney Barnett though, well here I have a personal connection. 13 years ago I was in a band. We weren't great, and had no pretensions of stardom, just solid and playing music largely for the fun of it. One night we played a show with a few other acts and one of them was this girl named Courtney. Almost a complete nobody but she was clearly very talented and very committed. She caught our attention and we had a support slot available for another little gig we were headlining in a few weeks' time. We asked if she'd like to play and she did, and she supported us again at another show a couple of months later. Shortly thereafter my band wound up and I stopped being so closely in touch with what was happening in my local music scene, so I rather lost track of what she was up to.

Five years later Courtney Barnett songs suddenly started appearing on radio, and then the following year she bought out Sometimes I Sit and Think... and went massive and became an international star. So there's my one and only brush with real fame, the one act we crossed paths with over the years that really made it big time. And good on her, she's a lovely person and a great musician and songwriter. A credit to Aussie music.
Aussie...thanks for sharing. Great story and lucky you!

I'm a Courtney fan. Watched her perform in Toronto early days. Interesting sound and like you said, good songwriter. Nice to hear she's a loverly person. My Aussie connection has my brother in law cousins connected to Mick Jagger. Jagger has family somewhere on that beautiful continent and visits often. It's strange to see Mick hanging with my brother-in-law and his family.
 
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Blowfish

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Bon Jovi was never my thing, though I respect your fandom and what you're saying here.

Never a hair band, speed metal, hardcore fellow. Twenty other genrres or subs, either. I respect them, just not my thing.

In the event, reruns, but telling ones,

Please to indulge. Discard as you may.

I've sent these bits along piecemeal in the past.

The first two speak to our circumstance. The last, though equally dark, offers, ah, hope at song's end,
I'm with you on the hair band, glamour rock, speed metal thing. Was never my thing. Appreciate the talent. Two genres of music I have a difficult time listening to the most are glamour rock and modern day pop country music. Love old time country just not the modern top 20 stuff.
 
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