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On the subject of movies to watch though and horror movies, watch The Sadness. It's recently released on Shudder. It's essentially a zombie flick, except instead of the living dead eating flesh it's a pandemic virus that essentially makes it so hosts only receive pleasure through torturing, assaulting, hurting others. Basically turns everyone into murderers, torturers, and rapists.

So, definitely not for everyone. Definitely requires a trigger warning, especially on the sexual violence part. It's definitely the first entirely fresh twist on the zombie/infection genre I've seen in a long time, it's genuinely shocking and frightening, and the gore and suspense are great.

It's not purely gore porn either. There's plenty of it, but it thrives on premise, suspense, and creativity as well. A lot of the most disturbing scenes, especially as pertaining to sexual violence, is done off-camera and implied. Some of the best kill/gore scenes I've ever seen though and I've seen most of the worst the genre has to offer.

Has a 90 critic score (same as The Witch) and 76 audience score (17 higher than The Witch) on RT. Carries obvious parallels to COVID and modern pandemic society as well (how easily it spreads, mutation as a concept, politicizing a virus, etc.).
 
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Garbage Goal said:
The Witch is the most overrated, boring slog of a movie I've ever seen and I find it synonymous with my idea of pretentious reviewers and movies now.

Real world reception wasn't terribly different from mine. Some people love it and rave over it, some hate it. The RT score was crazy high for critic reviews and very middling to low for fan score. I think it's beautifully shot, incredibly well-acted, and has great cinematography. As a technical piece it's a master work. As a representation of Puritan life and views it's well-done.

It was marketed as a horror movie though, it's categorized as a horror movie. Movies and works of fiction at large are meant to be enjoyable. There's nothing scary in that movie in any way. Not in terms of jump scares, gore, or suspense. Watching a single family of Puritans be Puritans for two hours is one of the most boring things I can think of.

It's a technical master work and an abject failure of horror while being the film equivalent of watching paint dry. Hereditary was pretty good though. Midsommar was almost as bad as The Witch.
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It definitely was horror. How can you call a movie that has
mysterious child abductions and murder, grotesque witches, and a goat that may or may not be a demonic spirit or conduit for the devil
a horror movie?
It was a slow burn without jump scares. That is a good horror movie. Jump scares are cheap tools or poor writers.

Garbage Goal said:
On the subject of movies to watch though and horror movies, watch The Sadness. It's recently released on Shudder. It's essentially a zombie flick, except instead of the living dead eating flesh it's a pandemic virus that essentially makes it so hosts only receive pleasure through torturing, assaulting, hurting others. Basically turns everyone into murderers, torturers, and rapists.

So, definitely not for everyone. Definitely requires a trigger warning, especially on the sexual violence part. It's definitely the first entirely fresh twist on the zombie/infection genre I've seen in a long time, it's genuinely shocking and frightening, and the gore and suspense are great.

It's not purely gore porn either. There's plenty of it, but it thrives on premise, suspense, and creativity as well. A lot of the most disturbing scenes, especially as pertaining to sexual violence, is done off-camera and implied. Some of the best kill/gore scenes I've ever seen though and I've seen most of the worst the genre has to offer.

Has a 90 critic score (same as The Witch) and 76 audience score (17 higher than The Witch) on RT. Carries obvious parallels to COVID and modern pandemic society as well (how easily it spreads, mutation as a concept, politicizing a virus, etc.).
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Since you have shudder, watch @Amorgus ’s suggestion to me. Psycho goreman.
 
Lord Defect said:
It definitely was horror. How can you call a movie that has
mysterious child abductions and murder, grotesque witches, and a goat that may or may not be a demonic spirit or conduit for the devil
a horror movie?
It was a slow burn without jump scares. That is a good horror movie. Jump scares are cheap tools or poor writers.
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Horror implies fright, great suspense, perversion, etc. Just because there's supernatural characters or blood or mature themes/content doesn't mean it's good horror. I never denied it's not categorized as horror. My complaint is that it's a technical master work devoid of anything frightening or entertaining. Things horror (and in the latter, movies should be). Game of Thrones has lots of murder, many Disney and animated features have grotesque witches (as does Hocus Pocus and Halloweentown), there are tons of suspense movies based around abductions (Flight Plan is based around a child abduction). Literally none of them are considered horror. Not that I ever contested The Witch's status as a horror movie, it is. My complaint is that it's marketed and classified as a horror movie and devoid of things you would expect or want from a horror movie if you're a horror fan.

I don't know why you singled out jump scares there. As a general commentary though, nothing to do with The Witch, jump scares can be cheap tools or they can be effective and smart. Depends how they're used. People associate the lazy, cheap ones as jump scares but movies are also filled with smart, effective ones. The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2 has some great ones, off the top of my head. Nightmare on Elm Street has them, it's a classic. Just because modern day horror likes to pump out generic trash that utilizes the cheap ones doesn't mean the whole idea of a jump scare should be tainted.

Lord Defect said:
It definitely was horror. How can you call a movie that has
mysterious child abductions and murder, grotesque witches, and a goat that may or may not be a demonic spirit or conduit for the devil
a horror movie?
It was a slow burn without jump scares. That is a good horror movie. Jump scares are cheap tools or poor writers.


Since you have shudder, watch @Amorgus ’s suggestion to me. Psycho goreman.
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I've seen Psycho Goreman, was excited for it when the trailer came out. It was enjoyable. Wouldn't rewatch it, but it's a fun time. Got a bit tired of the campiness and cheese by the end of it and really tired of the kids, but it was a good time and worthwhile.
 
Garbage Goal said:
The Witch is the most overrated, boring slog of a movie I've ever seen and I find it synonymous with my idea of pretentious reviewers and movies now.

Real world reception wasn't terribly different from mine. Some people love it and rave over it, some hate it. The RT score was crazy high for critic reviews and very middling to low for fan score. I think it's beautifully shot, incredibly well-acted, and has great cinematography. As a technical piece it's a master work. As a representation of Puritan life and views it's well-done.

It was marketed as a horror movie though, it's categorized as a horror movie. Movies and works of fiction at large are meant to be enjoyable. There's nothing scary in that movie in any way. Not in terms of jump scares, gore, or suspense. Watching a single family of Puritans be Puritans for two hours is one of the most boring things I can think of.

It's a technical master work and an abject failure of horror while being the film equivalent of watching paint dry. Hereditary was pretty good though. Midsommar was almost as bad as The Witch.
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I kinda felt this way too after first watch.

Robert Eggers improved dramatically with The Lighthouse and ive heard The Northman rules too.
 
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Rebels57 said:
I kinda felt this way too after first watch.

Robert Eggers improved dramatically with The Lighthouse and ive heard The Northman rules too.
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I’m interested in The Northman. The Lighthouse I’ve been scared of watching due to The Witch, but I also can’t motivate myself to watch movies that come across as boring or lacking in escapism. I’m sure it’s great if I watch it, Good Will Hunting and Eternal Sunshine are two of my favorite movies. Just can’t get into the frame of mind for starting to watch that type of movie though.
 
Garbage Goal said:
Horror implies fright, great suspense, perversion, etc. Just because there's supernatural characters or blood or mature themes/content doesn't mean it's good horror. I never denied it's not categorized as horror. My complaint is that it's a technical master work devoid of anything frightening or entertaining. Things horror (and in the latter, movies should be). Game of Thrones has lots of murder, many Disney and animated features have grotesque witches (as does Hocus Pocus and Halloweentown), there are tons of suspense movies based around abductions (Flight Plan is based around a child abduction). Literally none of them are considered horror. Not that I ever contested The Witch's status as a horror movie, it is. My complaint is that it's marketed and classified as a horror movie and devoid of things you would expect or want from a horror movie if you're a horror fan.

I don't know why you singled out jump scares there. As a general commentary though, nothing to do with The Witch, jump scares can be cheap tools or they can be effective and smart. Depends how they're used. People associate the lazy, cheap ones as jump scares but movies are also filled with smart, effective ones. The Conjuring and The Conjuring 2 has some great ones, off the top of my head. Nightmare on Elm Street has them, it's a classic. Just because modern day horror likes to pump out generic trash that utilizes the cheap ones doesn't mean the whole idea of a jump scare should be tainted.


I've seen Psycho Goreman, was excited for it when the trailer came out. It was enjoyable. Wouldn't rewatch it, but it's a fun time. Got a bit tired of the campiness and cheese by the end of it and really tired of the kids, but it was a good time and worthwhile.
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We can agree to disagree
 
I do want to see The Sadness, especially because it looks like the concept I used for a short story in Creative Writing back in college: a virus that makes people homicidal but still capable of rational thought. Actually you were full on 28 Days Later psycho when you were first infected but those who survived long enough began to "normalize" and gain some rational thought back, enough to lure victims in.
 
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Rebels57 said:
This new Chip & Dale movie on Disney Plus is surprisingly clever and funny
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Once I was done and realized it was a complete Lonely Island production it all made sense. Goddamn that movie was waaaay better than it had any right to be. Getting the permission to have all those properties together like Roger Rabbit 2.0 for a direct to streaming movie boggles my mind but I loved it. We actually got to see Batman v. E.T.!

Oh I totally had that Chip n Dale NES game back in the day too.
 
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Amorgus said:
I do want to see The Sadness, especially because it looks like the concept I used for a short story in Creative Writing back in college: a virus that makes people homicidal but still capable of rational thought. Actually you were full on 28 Days Later psycho when you were first infected but those who survived long enough began to "normalize" and gain some rational thought back, enough to lure victims in.
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That's an interesting concept, would make a good movie honestly. In the fantasy world where zombies exist an impossible hyper evolving, adaptation to continue getting sustenance makes sense. I thought of another short story like that once. Like that, but the adaptations and evolution was more fantastical (like Resident Evil or Left 4 Dead) and human-creature hybrids. Focusing solely on the military/raiding aspect of these fantasy dystopian zombie universes. Thought it would make for a good series of vignettes as well.

Anyways, apparently The Sadness is inspired by a comic series called Crossed that's also supposed to be very good.
 
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I started watching The Northman last night - didn't make it past the 40 minute mark.

I was really looking forward to it, but it just felt so unengaging to me.
 
What was the movie of your early 20's for you older guys on here? I don't think I've seen anything I've loved that came out in the past 2-3 years or so, probably a covid thing.
 
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