Post-Game Talk: The more things change…

[Ibanez]

I cancelled my cable with Shaw so I haven't been following. I'm considering paying for the Sportsnet+.

How's Arvid doing?

To me this looked like probably his best game. Hope we see more. Showed some slick puck handling a few times. I forgot how shifty he can be sometimes.

 

[WaitingForUser]

I watched his game 2 nights ago. I know no one wants to hear it, but we lost a good one.

He needs to put up 40-50 points to justify that deal after 81 games played in his career. This is just the reality of it.

 

[ZJuice]

I cancelled my cable with Shaw so I haven't been following. I'm considering paying for the Sportsnet+.

How's Arvid doing?

SN+ is kind of cool. I've been watching UFC and WWE and tons more hockey than I can on regular tele.
It's not the most reliable though, like some days it's just bad for disconnecting but the next it is perfect.. Like the Oilers!

 

[tardigrade81]

They lost in Washington last night.

How dare you embarrass me like this…..

Punishment. You will join me in watching Red Sun Rising, and drinking whiskey

 

[brentashton]

They lost in Washington last night.

Posers.

 

[Heavy Dee]

The people judging him on preseason are idiots. The guy didn’t score 340 goals in the league by accident.

You realize both things can be true?

He wasn't good in preseason, but has really come on.

 

[Canovin]

SN+ is kind of cool. I've been watching UFC and WWE and tons more hockey than I can on regular tele.
It's not the most reliable though, like some days it's just bad for disconnecting but the next it is perfect.. Like the Oilers!

Did you go with the premium package?

 

[ZJuice]

Did you go with the premium package?

I did.. There was a list of games available for standard vs premium, and I had to get the premium lol

 

[Oilslick941611]

You realize both things can be true?

He wasn't good in preseason, but has really come on.

No. They can’t. Because the preseason is meaningless and players don’t give it 100 percent or have any stakes in results.

I mean sure you can say he looked bad in preseason but it has no bearing on anything.

Did you go with the premium package?

It’s the only way to get all the games.

If you are in Edmonton though you will be dealing with blackouts. I live in Ottawa and don’t get Sens games. If Edmonton is playing Ottawa I have to watch it on tsn.

 

[K1984]

Slowly everyone is starting to get their game under them.

The only players that haven't really had anything "good" happen for them to lean on are Hyman and Nuge, and Arvidsson to a lesser extent. They need something to go in so they can start feeling better. Nuge especially is just playing some rancid hockey.

The much maligned "old and slow" bottom 6 was extremely effective again, with the two oldest and slowest players, Ryan and Perry, playing very well. Henrique might have been our best off season move. Having a steady, stable, smart two way player at 3C is massive for this team, and something we literally haven't had since Peca in 2006. Once one stops obsessing about their age, you can really appreciate the impact they make on the ice.

Still a few guys that need to wake up and get started, and still a few guys that aren't at full speed, but are showing signs of getting there. Hopefully we take another step and get a win tomorrow.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Thought it was our best goaltending game of the season by miles and Pickard often enough is the one putting these up. Shut down the most dangerous offensive club we've faced this season and on the road.

Some saves tonight Skinner doesn't get to.

Preds only mustered 9 sog in first half of game and that team looks like in a world of hurt. You're paying old Stamkos a ton of money and frankly he was invisible all game at EV. That won't be going down well. Preds in trouble.

The preds with 6 goals in 3 games are the most dangerous team offensively?

 

[syz]

Slowly everyone is starting to get their game under them.

The only players that haven't really had anything "good" happen for them to lean on are Hyman and Nuge, and Arvidsson to a lesser extent. They need something to go in so they can start feeling better. Nuge especially is just playing some rancid hockey.

The much maligned "old and slow" bottom 6 was extremely effective again, with the two oldest and slowest players, Ryan and Perry, playing very well. Henrique might have been our best off season move. Having a steady, stable, smart two way player at 3C is massive for this team, and something we literally haven't had since Peca in 2006. Once one stops obsessing about their age, you can really appreciate the impact they make on the ice.

Still a few guys that need to wake up and get started, and still a few guys that aren't at full speed, but are showing signs of getting there. Hopefully we take another step and get a win tomorrow.

Hyman's been getting some chances at least. Nuge... not so much.

 

[K1984]

Hyman's been getting some chances at least. Nuge... not so much.

Nuge needs to get his feet moving. When he stands around and tries to compensate for it by flipping cute, soft saucer passes everywhere he is beyond terrible. Has to get skating.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Stability.

Very solid goaltending by Pickard. Need this guy to give them reliable support games and he delivered. Hard ice, big minutes and key situational play by Ekholm and Nurse starts to stabilize this team's own end play. Opportunistic Kulak helped with a big goal in a game featuring his top toi this season and support pk minutes.

Solid support players contributing as top elites continue to work to find their games. That's a positive sign. Team grinded out a big W with a subterranean shooting percentage that has now risen to 6.8%...

 

[Soundwave]

Slowly everyone is starting to get their game under them.

The only players that haven't really had anything "good" happen for them to lean on are Hyman and Nuge, and Arvidsson to a lesser extent. They need something to go in so they can start feeling better. Nuge especially is just playing some rancid hockey.

The much maligned "old and slow" bottom 6 was extremely effective again, with the two oldest and slowest players, Ryan and Perry, playing very well. Henrique might have been our best off season move. Having a steady, stable, smart two way player at 3C is massive for this team, and something we literally haven't had since Peca in 2006. Once one stops obsessing about their age, you can really appreciate the impact they make on the ice.

Still a few guys that need to wake up and get started, and still a few guys that aren't at full speed, but are showing signs of getting there. Hopefully we take another step and get a win tomorrow.

Bottom 6 has been very good this season. It's the top 6 that's been half-asleep, at least McDavid looks like he's waking up.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Hyman's been getting some chances at least. Nuge... not so much.

I get that Nugent Hopkins hasn't been very good. But this is a kinda apples and bananas comparison. They're playing different positions. Hyman is a net front wing with two top five players in the NHL as this coach has opted to run The Stack Line. He's been a PP specialist but not yet found his finish.

Nugent Hopkins is centring a new line mashup of 4th line wing Podkolzen and Arvy who hasn't hit his stride. Both new players on this team working to find their games. As well helpful and important to look at the totality of a player's game with Nugent Hopkins a top minute forward ice-time on first unit PK.

There's a tendency to narrowcast this game to the glory side of the ice. But totality of position, deployment and utility can reinforce team value beyond counting points. Nugent Hopkins needs to find his form in the o-zone but still adds value with other elements of his versatile game.

 

[syz]

I get that Nugent Hopkins hasn't been very good. But this is a kinda apples and bananas comparison. They're playing different positions. Hyman is a net front wing with two top five players in the NHL as this coach has opted to run The Stack Line. He's been a PP specialist but not yet found his finish.

Nugent Hopkins is centring a new line mashup of 4th line wing Podkolzen and Arvy who hasn't hit his stride. Both new players on this team working to find their games. As well helpful and important to look at the totality of a player's game with Nugent Hopkins a top minute forward ice-time on first unit PK.

There's a tendency to narrowcast this game to the glory side of the ice. But totality of position, deployment and utility can reinforce team value beyond counting points. Nugent Hopkins needs to find his form in the o-zone but still adds value with other elements of his versatile game.

Nuge had the lowest fancy stats on the team while playing in the top 6, too. He's been bad at every aspect of the game so far.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Nuge had the lowest fancy stats on the team while playing in the top 6, too. He's been bad at every aspect of the game so far.

Again, his situational play adds value with top forward PK minutes. He's moved positions to centre a line with two new, underproducing wingers working to find their games. Hyman is playing wing on the Stacked Line with two super elites and big PP minutes with no production yet as he looks to find his game. Deployment and usage is different with greater utility in Nugent Hopkins game that helps goal suppression work required to win games.

Neither have been good. However since hockey is played in three zones there is value in a player who is looked upon for key situations to mitigate opposition scoring. Coaching deployment and usage reinforces that value to the team.

 

[syz]

Again, his situational play adds value with top forward PK minutes. He's moved positions to centre a line with two new, underproducing wingers working to find their games. Hyman is playing wing on the Stacked Line with two super elites and big PP minutes with no production yet as he looks to find his game. Deployment and usage is different with greater utility in Nugent Hopkins game that helps goal suppression work required to win games.

Neither have been good. However since hockey is played in three zones there is value in a player who is looked upon for key situations to mitigate opposition scoring. Coaching deployment and usage reinforces that value to the team.

Arvidsson and Podkolzin were #1 and #2 on the team last night for xGF%. RNH (who, again, is last on the team in almost every advanced metric so far this season) still somehow ended up near the bottom at 5 on 5 despite being on a line with both of them.

Also not really willing to give him much credit for his PK duties on a PK that's 31st or 32nd in the league. The special teams are both struggling and he's a big reason why so far.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Arvidsson and Podkolzin were #1 and #2 on the team last night for xGF%. RNH (who, again, is last on the team in almost every advanced metric so far this season) still somehow ended up near the bottom at 5 on 5 despite being on a line with both of them.

Also not really willing to give him much credit for his PK duties on a PK that's 31st or 32nd in the league. The special teams are both struggling and he's a big reason why so far.

Their real production is 0. Their deployment and game usage was 11:51 and 10:09 toi respectively. 1 shot on net between them. Both less toi than Cory Perry. Meanwhile the information based coach deployed Nugent Hopkins for 17:49 with forward high 2:11 PK minutes. The team's early PK issues have been alot on a second unit with big change in personnel. It was good last night and decent game prior. A big chunk of issue has been inconsistent goaltending.

Hyman at least had 5 shots on net within a game in which McDavid looked to be rounding into form. Both players can be better. However the head coach deployment and usage reinforce how players are valued beyond counting points and with more information that fan generated advance stats information.

 

[McBeastMode]

Jeff Skinner > Nugent-Hopkins..

 

[syz]

Their real production is 0. Their deployment and game usage was 11:51 and 10:09 toi respectively. 1 shot on net between them. Both less toi than Cory Perry. Meanwhile the information based coach deployed Nugent Hopkins for 17:49 with forward high 2:11 PK minutes. The team's early PK issues have been alot on a second unit with big change in personnel. It was good last night and decent game prior. A big chunk of issue has been inconsistent goaltending.

Hyman at least had 5 shots on net within a game in which McDavid looked to be rounding into form. Both players can be better. However the head coach deployment and usage reinforce how players are valued beyond counting points and with more information that fan generated advance stats information.

RNH played less than Perry last night 5 on 5 and the closest he came to a point last night was the assist he should have been credited with on Nashville's PP goal when he lobbed the puck straight at Saros and decided to change.

His special teams deployment padding out his TOI isn't especially remarkable; the coach isn't going to pull those minutes from him 5 games in, even if he's been actively detrimental to both. His "real production" is 1 PP point, so it's worth looking at his advanced stats and starting to ask why he's so much worse than literally everybody else on the team other than Janmark.

Despite the team's inability to finish chances early on this season, they've at least been creating significantly more chances for than against. The only exceptions are RNH and Janmark, whose numbers are in the dumpster.

 

[ujju2]

I think a lot of people think of him as a perimeter guy. But he is not. This is where he made hay as a Junior here in Kitchener and he carried this over to the NHL> He's certainly not a power forward but he is strong enough on his feet to go to the net and not get pushed around. But the big thing is that with his hands he can take advantage of even a tiny opening. Let's hope he keeps it up.

Reminds me a bit of a 9 in soccer, just a really good finisher who doesn't need many touches to put one away,

 

[CycloneSweep]

RNH played less than Perry last night 5 on 5 and the closest he came to a point last night was the assist he should have been credited with on Nashville's PP goal when he lobbed the puck straight at Saros and decided to change.

His special teams deployment padding out his TOI isn't especially remarkable; the coach isn't going to pull those minutes from him 5 games in, even if he's been actively detrimental to both. His "real production" is 1 PP point, so it's worth looking at his advanced stats and starting to ask why he's so much worse than literally everybody else on the team other than Janmark.

Despite the team's inability to finish chances early on this season, they've at least been creating significantly more chances for than against. The only exceptions are RNH and Janmark, whose numbers are in the dumpster.

Janmark has started the last 2 years really bad so imo it was to be expected. Which is why I wasn’t a huge fan of him on the second line.
Nuge has never really been a strong 5v5 player honestly but he is actively bad right now and that’s troubling. Imho he should be getting third line duties especially with having Henrique that can fill 2nd line minutes if McDrai are gonna stay stapled together.

 

[syz]

Janmark has started the last 2 years really bad so imo it was to be expected. Which is why I wasn’t a huge fan of him on the second line.
Nuge has never really been a strong 5v5 player honestly but he is actively bad right now and that’s troubling. Imho he should be getting third line duties especially with having Henrique that can fill 2nd line minutes if McDrai are gonna stay stapled together.

I said it earlier in the season, but in his career the worst RNH has ever been is "invisible." Like maybe he just disappears for a while but you don't really notice him.

His first 5 games this season are the worst I have ever seen him play. He is actively bad/detrimental in a way that we have never seen before.