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for the last few years only the benning bros have been made mods.

This isn't so bad though. They don't need to be silenced. They are entitled to whatever opinions they may hold. Most of them don't engage in good faith discussions, but I don't really care.

You wanna see what it looks like when Benning bros get drunk with power, stumble over to the Canucks subreddit.
 
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You wanna see what it looks like when Benning bros get drunk with power, stumble over to the Canucks subreddit.

Some dude had like 80 downvotes for simply stating that he feels Schmidt was getting pushed out by management...which was supported by Benning's own words in the FA presser he held the other day.

They had a brief moment of clarity during this past season but have reverted back to type. Utterly surreal.
 
Some dude had like 80 downvotes for simply stating that he feels Schmidt was getting pushed out by management...which was supported by Benning's own words in the FA presser he held the other day.

They had a brief moment of clarity during this past season but have reverted back to type. Utterly surreal.

The Reddit posting system is inherently suited towards the idea of groupthink is the problem. I use my upvotes and downvotes sparingly, but others don't seem to feel the same way. You disagree with any of them and your post magically goes to 0 and it's like "Ok, be petty whatever lmao"
 
This isn't so bad though. They don't need to be silenced. They are entitled to whatever opinions they may hold. Most of them don't engage in good faith discussions, but I don't really care.

You wanna see what it looks like when Benning bros get drunk with power, stumble over to the Canucks subreddit.

People there loved that OEL and Garland are joining the team, with zero considerations for our cap situation and loss of draft picks.

IMO it's best to just avoid that sub and r/hockey.
 
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such extreme language in this thread...is everybody having fun? Or at least chasing the endorphin high?


Now back to management...they gambled this summer in order to win now. I don't agreed with the process or all of the moves but they have moved part way to their goal. They are a better team. Time will tell how much better. Until we've seen this team play, the debates on whether OEL is terrible or will rebound, whether Toolman is a #4 or a #8 D-man, whether the D is trash or serviceable, are all just projections based on so many unknowns. I prefer to wait to see how they do.

FWIW I would have tanked one more year to free up the $12M without giving up picks. The only argument that has been put to me to question this position is that there is value in winning now, especially for the young guys.
 
“You’re gonna be kissing Bennings shoes when we’re good this year”. Mods please for the love of god see what the pro Benning people are posting here. These are posts that put Benning over any success the team might have. I didn’t know we were the Vancouver Bennings now.
Where’s your complaint about Benning kicking people in the nuts? It was obviously a joke. You are taking this shit too seriously. “You can dish it out but can’t take it” seems appropriate here.
 
I actually supported the approach from management this offseason, but they’ve basically punted themselves into a f***ed up corner where they need OEL to play like a top pairing defenseman and Poolman to look like a legitimate #5 or better.

Like, if they did the same off season but could actually evaluate defensemen, we could have had a blueline without Myers and the three new bad contracts.

The thought was right, but the execution was likely poor based on past precedent. But hey, I’m down to be proven wrong if OEL performs like a legitimate top pair defenseman and Poolman plays well.

Keep in mind, they need to be better than average. Average was what Edler and Schmidt gave. Below average is what OEL and Poolman were last year. If they outplay Edler and Schmidt, this team probably ends up being closer to top ten.
 
The Reddit posting system is inherently suited towards the idea of groupthink is the problem. I use my upvotes and downvotes sparingly, but others don't seem to feel the same way. You disagree with any of them and your post magically goes to 0 and it's like "Ok, be petty whatever lmao"

It's weird, cos I hang around a couple of other sports subreddits and while there's general optimism or even homerism towards the team/players/whatever it is nowhere near as divisive as it is on /r/canucks. Like, I get it, fans are going to be fans. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Where’s your complaint about Benning kicking people in the nuts? It was obviously a joke. You are taking this shit too seriously. “You can dish it out but can’t take it” seems appropriate here.

I think the bigger question is, if the Canucks stink will we ever see you again? Because what happened to everyone who said the Canucks would be a playoff team in 2016 and 2017 and so on is that they just vanish. I wouldn’t want that to be a case.
 
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Jim B has taken this club on quite the road trip this summer......

Really would have like a better upgrade on losing our Warrior Edler...
Our top 4 on D are really more like 5-6 D on a playoff club.

This summer Canuck's GM roadtrip is more like....

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such extreme language in this thread...is everybody having fun? Or at least chasing the endorphin high?


Now back to management...they gambled this summer in order to win now. I don't agreed with the process or all of the moves but they have moved part way to their goal. They are a better team. Time will tell how much better. Until we've seen this team play, the debates on whether OEL is terrible or will rebound, whether Toolman is a #4 or a #8 D-man, whether the D is trash of serviceable, are all just projections based on so many unknowns. I prefer to wait to see how they do.

FWIW I would have tanked one more year to free up the $12M without giving up picks. The only argument that has been put to me to question this position is that there is value in winning now, especially for the young guys.
I agree, no one can say matter of fact in any sense.

But, previous recent performance is always a better way of projecting rather than blind hope. Those projections aren’t favorable - but I am happy to be proven otherwise.

It’s totally a possibility that OEL plays like he did five years ago, that poolman and myers provide top four performance (not just minutes), and that Hughes improves defensively to be closer to Fox/Makar.

But, on the balance of probabilities, it is not a likely outcome.
 
I agree, no one can say matter of fact in any sense.

But, previous recent performance is always a better way of projecting rather than blind hope. Those projections aren’t favorable - but I am happy to be proven otherwise.

It’s totally a possibility that OEL plays like he did five years ago, that poolman and myers provide top four performance (not just minutes), and that Hughes improves defensively to be closer to Fox/Makar.

But, on the balance of probabilities, it is not a likely outcome.
I agree generally with your assessment. I just think there are too many variables to take extreme positions one way or the other and then back it up with extreme language. It tends to turn what could be a reasonable debate into a war of words.
 
I think the bigger question is, if the Canucks stink will we ever see you again? Because what happened to everyone who said the Canucks would be a playoff team in 2016 and 2017 and so on is that they just vanish. I wouldn’t want that to be a case.
You might not. You Probly didn’t notice, but I didn’t post much during the the bad years. I wasn’t on here at the start of every season predicting the Canucks were a play-off team. I wasn’t drinking any kool-aid. I have started to post much more frequently as of late because, even though the team isnt winning now, I feel we are on the verge of becoming elite.
 
It's weird, cos I hang around a couple of other sports subreddits and while there's general optimism or even homerism towards the team/players/whatever it is nowhere near as divisive as it is on /r/canucks. Like, I get it, fans are going to be fans. Nothing wrong with that.

People put all their eggs in the Benning basket ever since he got here, and I haven't the slightest clue why. Seems like an odd hill to die on.
 
You might not. You Probly didn’t notice, but I didn’t post much during the the bad years. I wasn’t on here at the start of every season predicting the Canucks were a play-off team. I wasn’t drinking any kool-aid. I have started to post much more frequently as of late because, even though the team isnt winning now, I feel we are on the verge of becoming elite.

And on what do you base that feeling? The teams last place finish last season?
 
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People see a lunatic spouting nonsense in real life, avoid eye contact and ignore.
People see a lunatic spouting nonsense online, debate them endlessly and feed their need for attn.
Figure it out.
 
And on what do you base that feeling? The teams last place finish last season?
Obviously personnel, and with 3, what I feel are better than average to good players on elc’s, and pretty good deals with Miller and Horvat, we have good cap space efficiency, even with OEL (depending on how much you think he is overpaid).
 
I agree generally with your assessment. I just think there are too many variables to take extreme positions one way or the other and then back it up with extreme language. It tends to turn what could be a reasonable debate into a war of words.
To me, it’s simple. Reasonable is that some players regress, some will improve, some will stagnate.

Here’s my projection.

I think Myers and Rathbone/Hunt perform better pairing than any Myers - anyone else that we’ve seen because I think they’ve upgraded around Myers (better bottom six, better LHD partner).

I think Hamonic and Hughes stagnate as a pairing and the overall contributions remain similar. I think Hamonic has a very obvious ceiling coupled with the fact he got a raise with term and his age..

I think OEL does not return to the form he has five years ago. Does he play better than what we did last year? Likely, because of the external factors. I still think his age and the injuries have taken a toll and this isn’t a top pairing player anymore. Poolman is just some run of the mill bottom pairing defender on an inflated deal that I don’t see any significant improvement. I think he stagnates and is what he is. The sum of their play will be a downgrade on Edler-Schmidt.

Overall, I think we see a slight improvement in our team defense provided there’s some systems adjustments with Shaw and the improved bottom six; however, improvements are mitigated by - what I think - is a worse top four at preventing opponent offense.
 
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I said they were a bubble team who could make it if they stayed fairly healthy and got elite goaltending. Basically these last two years have played out exactly as I said they would in the summer of 2019. And now they’re repeating the exact same cycle.
So you say they are a borderline team again this year, like you said they were in 19/20, but clearly they are a much deeper team than 19/20, so they should be much better than that 19/20 team. You appear to be saying that the 19/20 team is at the same level as this seasons team.
 
You have to keep quoting what will happen in the future because Benning defenders are still refusing to accept accountability for the past seven years when they've been proven wrong.

First it was Gillis' fault.

Then when it was decisions clearly in Benning's self-made environment it was a "rush to judgement".

Then when the predictions of Benning's bad decisions became true it was "...but hindsight".

Then people tried "...this is a natural progression of a re-build".

Then when that was laughably disproven now it's "...but in the future we'll be right".

NO ONE is falling for it and you're just digging yourself deeper.

People keep saying, Benning shouldn't have signed those players, and use future vision and say Benning should sign these good players to contracts even lower cap!

But guess what?

Qualify free agents aim to go to franchises to chase for the cup.

We got a bunch of new core players from the draft, added some more pieces, and now have a bright future.

Every time someone attacks a Benning signing, they ignore the reason behind it.

I'm all for intelligent discussions, but Benning bashers just love to point at contracts that didn't matter, and point at decisions that would have been amazing if turned out right.

Had Schmidt been able to adjust and be that solid Top 4, or if Myers regained his form and be a solid Top 4, Benning would be celebrated.

But Benning cannot control what happens AFTER the signing, and that is my key point.

People love to use AFTER the fact results to complain, but not see the AFTER results to judge Benning.

We now have one of the best forward groups in the league, a goaltender entering his prime who can instill fear in the opponent's when he's on his game. A defense that has clear defined roles that will be under a new defensive coach who was in Columbus and St. Louis.

Yah, our D isn't perfect. But we only have that to solve moving forward.

And that is the result under Benning's management. Is our prospect cupboard a little dry? Sure. But remember what Benning had when he took over? Benning had NOTHING. So I'm confident that he can adjust again and target unsigned prospects to fill Abbotsford to see if some of them can break out.

People cannot say Benning makes mistakes and deserved to be fired, and not be happy about today's line up.
 
So you say they are a borderline team again this year, like you said they were in 19/20, but clearly they are a much deeper team than 19/20, so they should be much better than that 19/20 team. You appear to be saying that the 19/20 team is at the same level as this seasons team.
The defense and goaltending is worse than the 19-20 team
 
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