The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

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This team is just never going to have competent management, at this point I just accept it for what it is.

Kevin Lowe 05-2006 is about as good as it gets and it's been downhill from there.

That said, Knoblaugh has idiotic forward lineups, he'd probably have had Holloway on the 3rd or 4th line here and he'd have zero looks on the PP or with McDavid here for sure and virtually no one here produces without that.
 

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This team is just never going to have competent management, at this point I just accept it for what it is.

Kevin Lowe 05-2006 is about as good as it gets and it's been downhill from there.

That said, Knoblaugh has idiotic forward lineups, he'd probably have had Holloway on the 3rd or 4th line here and he'd have zero looks on the PP or with McDavid here for sure and virtually no one here produces without that.
Yea Knoblaugh sucks def need to fire him..
 

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Yea Knoblaugh sucks def need to fire him..

Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.
 

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Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.
Hard to say the dynamic. Generally players need to win their spots on a competitive roster. Gifting them spots is the death of competition.
 

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Hard to say the dynamic. Generally players need to win their spots on a competitive roster. Gifting them spots is the death of competition.

That's not even true here because lots of guys just get played out of favoritism, RNH has sucked balls for long stretches this year but there's zero consequences for that or Bouchard can have 500 turnovers in a game and still not get benched.

Enough with the farce, have some creativity and imagination with lineup and let some of the new players get some McDavid points. Their confidence rises and then you can maybe move them elsewhere in the lineup if you want.
 
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That's not even true here because lots of guys just get played out of favoritism, RNH has sucked balls for long stretches this year but there's zero consequences for that or Bouchard can have 500 turnovers in a game and still not get benched.

Enough with the farce, have some creativity and imagination with lineup and let some of the new players get some McDavid points. Their confidence rises and then you can maybe move them elsewhere in the lineup if you want.
I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.
 
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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

He doesn't try anything offensively, he just waits for McDavid and Draisaitl and Hyman to warm up and lets that carry the day.

Letting Skinner and Arvidsson rot and their confidence hit the skids isn't smart.

It's like thinking you're the smartest person in the room for "winning" an arguement with your wife, the truth is you're just going to pay for that later, lol.

We don't benefit as a team to keep players' confidence in the shitter, we need all hands on deck, beating a Vegas or a Florida in a playoff series is still going to be a serious challenge, Knob better have some better ideas for forwards that aren't producing than just "dur hur, off to line 3/4 you go!". Can't operate that way in a cap era. If he didn't like these players and wasn't going to use them he should have said something on July 1 but now that they're here it's incumbent on him to get them going if they're not going.
 

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Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.
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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.
This. Armchairing the coach who has led this team to an unbelievable record in his 1+ year he has been here is a futile effort. They have so so so much more information than we have to make their decisions. I'm going to default to Knobber's great work since being here and give him a massive benefit of the doubt as to his choices on deployment.
 

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Has anybody seen how Fowler is looking in STL?
Like this :sarcasm::naughty:
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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

The big picture is to be a better team than the one that lost in the Finals last year. Not just kinda/sorta/maybe ... we invested 7 million into two players in Arvidsson and Skinner to give us MORE scoring, not just to match watch Foegele/McLeod's totals from last year.

In the 3/4 Cup Finals games versus we lost to Florida, we struggled badly to score against Bob. The year before when Vegas beat us we struggled to score after Hill came into the series. We need scoring outside of just McDavid/Draisaitl/Hyman in these situations.

Putting guys who were signed to be top six wingers into your (gasp) top six isn't a "blender" either, lol. That's just playing them where they should be.

In the dynasty Oilers days, Sather often ran Gretzky + Kurri when the other winger spot open and cycled everyone from Nilsson to Anderson to Tikkanen to shit even Semenko there at times. It would get those players going.

There's no reason we can't do the same with blank-McDavid-Hyman.

Being a 104-106 point pace regular season team is no big deal and it's not the goal, not even close. This team has had good regular seasons, that should be an automatic at this point. What we should be building for is the playoffs and you're not doing that if you're not properly integrating new additions to the team as a coach. These guys need to score some goals to get their confidence going here.

If Knob didn't want these players he should have said so on July 1, but now that they are here it's his responsibility to get them integrated and producing with the group and that means giving them some chances with McDavid as that's the best odds they have to break out here.
 

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Well your first paragraph is sunk cost fallacy.

The rest appears to be strictly based on your idea that top six has something to do with how this team should be coached.

It doesn’t.

This is a four line team. It’s being coached as a four line team. All lines are checking lines all lines are scoring lines.

Let the meritocracy sort them out.

So far so good.
 

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Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.
He wasn't "forced" into anything, get real. He could have moved Polkozin into that spot if he wished.
 
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Probably not a popular opinion in the gripe thread but keeping Holloway would have meant that we would have been over the cap and wouldn't be accruing anything for the deadline. I'm sure we can still find a 20 goal scorer if we really want for 3.5M at the deadline.

Also I keep seeing how signing Jeff Skinner cost us Dylan Holloway. I think that's fair if you were complaining about the signing on July 1st. Believe it or not but I think most of us were banking on the guy who has scored 363 goals and 682 points to produce AND had Holloway available at a lower cost. Holloway prior to this year had 9 careerr goals and 18 assists.

It's easy to sit back now and call management stupid but let's put some of this into perspective.
 

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Probably not a popular opinion in the gripe thread but keeping Holloway would have meant that we would have been over the cap and wouldn't be accruing anything for the deadline. I'm sure we can still find a 20 goal scorer if we really want for 3.5M at the deadline.

Also I keep seeing how signing Jeff Skinner cost us Dylan Holloway. I think that's fair if you were complaining about the signing on July 1st. Believe it or not but I think most of us were banking on the guy who has scored 363 goals and 682 points to produce AND had Holloway available at a lower cost. Holloway prior to this year had 9 careerr goals and 18 assists.

It's easy to sit back now and call management stupid but let's put some of this into perspective.


On July 5th we were calling JJ a mad genius. But some of us asked where was the money for Broberg and Halloway. With all the information we now have on Broberg, we should have moved him draft day. We could have gotten more. He wanted out. Halloway--that is another story all together. We still do not have enough details to figure out how far they were a part on money and whether or not the oilers burned a bridge there like with Broberg.
 
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This team is just never going to have competent management, at this point I just accept it for what it is.

Kevin Lowe 05-2006 is about as good as it gets and it's been downhill from there.

That said, Knoblaugh has idiotic forward lineups, he'd probably have had Holloway on the 3rd or 4th line here and he'd have zero looks on the PP or with McDavid here for sure and virtually no one here produces without that.
“Everyone who actually gets paid to do this is dumb but I’m smart and know more then all of them”
 
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Detroit hired Koala. He was probably the first real coach after the decade of darkness. Where is Woody? Is he still watching the Oilers?
 
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On July 5th we were calling JJ a mad genius. But some of us asked where was the money for Broberg and Halloway. With all the information we now have on Broberg, we should have moved him draft day. We could have gotten more. He wanted out. Halloway--that is another story all together. We still do not have enough details to figure out how far they were a part on money and whether or not the oilers burned a bridge they’re like with Broberg.
If we moved Broberg at the draft there wouldn’t have been a Holloway offer sheet.
 

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If we moved Broberg at the draft there wouldn’t have been a Holloway offer sheet.


I agree. Domino affect. The one thing I am mad at myself for is liking the Arvidsson signing. I had not see the guy play last year but when healthy he is a very good two way player who could slide up and down the line up. I blanked on the fact he was injured for most of last year. I also blanked on the fact he has missed an average of about 20 games a year. Blanked on that completely. The Skinner contract is only one year and Arvidsson is two. But when you are in a win now mode you sometimes makes decisions that blow up in your face. WE can only hope both Arvidsson and Skinner do what Brown did last season in the playoffs
 
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I agree. Domino affect. The one thing I am mad at myself for is liking the Arvidsson signing. I had not see the guy play last year but when healthy he is a very good two way player who could slide up and down the line up. I blanked on the fact he was injured for most of last year. I also blanked on the fact he has missed an average of about 20 games a year. Blanked on that completely. The Skinner contract is only one year and Arvidsson is two. But when you are in a win now mode you sometimes makes decisions that blow up in your face. WE can only hope both Arvidsson and Skinner do what Brown did last season in the playoffs
The Arvidsson contract is going to be great.

Jeff Skinner is cooked, watch him play.
 
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Not me. Holloway will always be the one that got away for me. 😢
He's had a lot of production lately, so that is possible, but Broberg will be the more important player.

They are both so young that this season is still a stepping stone. That's why our org was so comfortable low balling them and letting them go.

They were both "the one that got away". Our team has this window that might be just three years. We needed Broberg to grow into Ekholm's spot and we need Holloway to replace one of our aging wingers.

It's not that surprising that Holloway would have leapt past Broberg in raw results. Dmen take a little more time and patience to develop
 

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The Arvidsson contract is going to be great.

Jeff Skinner is cooked, watch him play.

People in Buffalo thought this when he was put on the fourth line and then he ripped off 30+ goals two years in a row. Skinner doesn't have a diverse skill set and it's not one that is going to look good playing in the bottom six with grinders. I think he'd look a lot better in our top six but for whatever reason Knoblauch doesn't want to give him that opportunity.
 
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For me it comes down to Skinner+Arvi or Holloway+Foegele+cap space. It was a no brainer to keep Holloway and Foegele. Jackson went for the shiny new toys
 

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