The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

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This team is just never going to have competent management, at this point I just accept it for what it is.

Kevin Lowe 05-2006 is about as good as it gets and it's been downhill from there.

That said, Knoblaugh has idiotic forward lineups, he'd probably have had Holloway on the 3rd or 4th line here and he'd have zero looks on the PP or with McDavid here for sure and virtually no one here produces without that.

 

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This team is just never going to have competent management, at this point I just accept it for what it is.

Kevin Lowe 05-2006 is about as good as it gets and it's been downhill from there.

That said, Knoblaugh has idiotic forward lineups, he'd probably have had Holloway on the 3rd or 4th line here and he'd have zero looks on the PP or with McDavid here for sure and virtually no one here produces without that.

Yea Knoblaugh sucks def need to fire him..

 

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Yea Knoblaugh sucks def need to fire him..

Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.

 

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Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.

Hard to say the dynamic. Generally players need to win their spots on a competitive roster. Gifting them spots is the death of competition.

 

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Hard to say the dynamic. Generally players need to win their spots on a competitive roster. Gifting them spots is the death of competition.

That's not even true here because lots of guys just get played out of favoritism, RNH has sucked balls for long stretches this year but there's zero consequences for that or Bouchard can have 500 turnovers in a game and still not get benched.

Enough with the farce, have some creativity and imagination with lineup and let some of the new players get some McDavid points. Their confidence rises and then you can maybe move them elsewhere in the lineup if you want.

 

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That's not even true here because lots of guys just get played out of favoritism, RNH has sucked balls for long stretches this year but there's zero consequences for that or Bouchard can have 500 turnovers in a game and still not get benched.

Enough with the farce, have some creativity and imagination with lineup and let some of the new players get some McDavid points. Their confidence rises and then you can maybe move them elsewhere in the lineup if you want.

I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

 

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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

He doesn't try anything offensively, he just waits for McDavid and Draisaitl and Hyman to warm up and lets that carry the day.

Letting Skinner and Arvidsson rot and their confidence hit the skids isn't smart.

It's like thinking you're the smartest person in the room for "winning" an arguement with your wife, the truth is you're just going to pay for that later, lol.

We don't benefit as a team to keep players' confidence in the shitter, we need all hands on deck, beating a Vegas or a Florida in a playoff series is still going to be a serious challenge, Knob better have some better ideas for forwards that aren't producing than just "dur hur, off to line 3/4 you go!". Can't operate that way in a cap era. If he didn't like these players and wasn't going to use them he should have said something on July 1 but now that they're here it's incumbent on him to get them going if they're not going.

 

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Never said that, I'm saying he needs to be smarter with his offensive deployment. Other players need to be given a chance with McDavid and on the PP to get going. He is a good defensive coach (either he is or it's all Coffey), but he isn't right now looking like a genius offensively.

Case in point he was forced at gunpoint to basically put Arvidsson up with McDavid, and what happens? He instantly scores and then gets another point on the PP. That never would have happened if he wasn't forced into doing it. That shouldn't be the case.

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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

This. Armchairing the coach who has led this team to an unbelievable record in his 1+ year he has been here is a futile effort. They have so so so much more information than we have to make their decisions. I'm going to default to Knobber's great work since being here and give him a massive benefit of the doubt as to his choices on deployment.

 

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Has anybody seen how Fowler is looking in STL?

Like this

 

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I guess the coach doesn’t agree with you. And I agree with him. No blender please. Work with the players you have to work with and in any given game the group that is showing can have their minutes pumped. He does it all the time.

The big picture is to be a better team than the one that lost in the Finals last year. Not just kinda/sorta/maybe ... we invested 7 million into two players in Arvidsson and Skinner to give us MORE scoring, not just to match watch Foegele/McLeod's totals from last year.

In the 3/4 Cup Finals games versus we lost to Florida, we struggled badly to score against Bob. The year before when Vegas beat us we struggled to score after Hill came into the series. We need scoring outside of just McDavid/Draisaitl/Hyman in these situations.

Putting guys who were signed to be top six wingers into your (gasp) top six isn't a "blender" either, lol. That's just playing them where they should be.

In the dynasty Oilers days, Sather often ran Gretzky + Kurri when the other winger spot open and cycled everyone from Nilsson to Anderson to Tikkanen to shit even Semenko there at times. It would get those players going.

There's no reason we can't do the same with blank-McDavid-Hyman.

Being a 104-106 point pace regular season team is no big deal and it's not the goal, not even close. This team has had good regular seasons, that should be an automatic at this point. What we should be building for is the playoffs and you're not doing that if you're not properly integrating new additions to the team as a coach. These guys need to score some goals to get their confidence going here.

If Knob didn't want these players he should have said so on July 1, but now that they are here it's his responsibility to get them integrated and producing with the group and that means giving them some chances with McDavid as that's the best odds they have to break out here.