The Loss of Broberg and Holloway Gripe Thread

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I understand not matching Broberg but not matching Holloway was always a headscratcher. He looks like a finisher in STL.

 

[dem]

Never made sense to not match Holloway.

Oilers look like absolute bone heads

 

[The Panther]

Yep, Holloway with 6 goals in his past six games. Unsustainable, of course but please God, don't let him become the new Brayden Point (both from Calgary). We'll never hear the end of it...

The thing is, the Oil don't really need a Holloway right now, as in when they're trying to win the '25 Cup. They have enough skilled forwards already.

But a couple of years in the future...? That's when they're really going to miss him.

 

[McDNicks17]

Yep, Holloway with 6 goals in his past six games. Unsustainable, of course but please God, don't let him become the new Brayden Point (both from Calgary). We'll never hear the end of it...

The thing is, the Oil don't really need a Holloway right now, as in when they're trying to win the '25 Cup. They have enough skilled forwards already.

But a couple of years in the future...? That's when they're really going to miss him.

No way. He's totaling keeping that 1.111 PDO rolling.

Not directed at you, but I think it's a little funny that this fan base spent all last season (rightfully) shitting on the paper tiger Canucks being propped up by a stupid PDO, but have now completely flipped on the concept because it's two former Oilers being propped up by PDO.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No way. He's totaling keeping that 1.111 PDO rolling.

Not directed at you, but I think it's a little funny that this fan base spent all last season (rightfully) shitting on the paper tiger Canucks being propped up by a stupid PDO, but have now completely flipped on the concept because it's two former Oilers being propped up by PDO.

Holloway is still showing some good finish which is something most of our forwards are lacking at the moment. Maybe it's not the same if he's still here but it's impossible not to question why he wasn't matched even without the benefit of hindsight.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

No way. He's totaling keeping that 1.111 PDO rolling.

Not directed at you, but I think it's a little funny that this fan base spent all last season (rightfully) shitting on the paper tiger Canucks being propped up by a stupid PDO, but have now completely flipped on the concept because it's two former Oilers being propped up by PDO.

the "his PDO is unsustainable!" is the new cope

his OT goal last night was a beauty....had a goal and assist, 5 shots and +2
btw, this year his shooting % percentage isn't outrageous at 14.5 %

and he's only 23

losing him would be easier to swallow if J. Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique combined managed to outscore him...but they haven't

 

[McDNicks17]

the "his PDO is unsustainable!" is the new cope

his OT goal last night was a beauty....had a goal and assist, 5 shots and +2
btw, this year his shooting % percentage isn't outrageous at 14.5 %

and he's only 23

losing him would be easier to swallow if J. Skinner, Arvidsson and Henrique combined managed to outscore him...but they haven't

Like I said, it's pretty funny seeing the same arguments used by Canucks fans now being used by Holloway/Broberg fans.

"They can just finish", "They're young", "Their SH% isn't that high", etc. haha

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Like I said, it's pretty funny seeing the same arguments used by Canucks fans now being used by Holloway/Broberg fans.

"They can just finish", "They're young", "Their SH% isn't that high", etc. haha

the difference being Hoglander, Miller, Boeser and Joshua were all shooting 19% or above....for four players to shoot that high at the same time was unsustainable

Holloway's shooting % is a meager 14.5%

that's not even close to the same

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

the difference being Hoglander, Miller, Boeser and Joshua were all shooting 19% or above....for four players to shoot that high at the same time was unsustainable

Holloway's shooting % is a meager 14.5%

that's not even close to the same

We saw firsthand that Holloway was starting to come alive and gain confidence in the playoffs. His current cap hit of $2.29m is easily digestible. We're paying more than that for players to NOT play with the Oilers.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

Yep, Holloway with 6 goals in his past six games. Unsustainable, of course but please God, don't let him become the new Brayden Point (both from Calgary). We'll never hear the end of it...

The thing is, the Oil don't really need a Holloway right now, as in when they're trying to win the '25 Cup. They have enough skilled forwards already.

But a couple of years in the future...? That's when they're really going to miss him.

Holloway isn't just a skilled forward though. He can win forecheck, win puck battles, and help in the transition game that you want your complimentary "grit" players to do too. It's just a colossal loss in every way.

No way. He's totaling keeping that 1.111 PDO rolling.

Not directed at you, but I think it's a little funny that this fan base spent all last season (rightfully) shitting on the paper tiger Canucks being propped up by a stupid PDO, but have now completely flipped on the concept because it's two former Oilers being propped up by PDO.

Bring Holloway and Broberg's PDO to 1 and they're still gapping most of our roster.

 

[McDNicks17]

the difference being Hoglander, Miller, Boeser and Joshua were all shooting 19% or above....for four players to shoot that high at the same time was unsustainable

Holloway's shooting % is a meager 14.5%

that's not even close to the same

That's exactly like the six games we're talking about where Holloway and his two linemates each have a 25%, 25% and 23.5% shooting percentage.

And that meager 14.5% is double his career average.

Canucks fans loved to argue why their players were special and that their unsustainable PDO was different too haha.

 

[TB12]

No way. He's totaling keeping that 1.111 PDO rolling.

Not directed at you, but I think it's a little funny that this fan base spent all last season (rightfully) shitting on the paper tiger Canucks being propped up by a stupid PDO, but have now completely flipped on the concept because it's two former Oilers being propped up by PDO.

The Oil won a big one last night. This place will be hopping all day as people need something to complain about!

And PDO is only relevant when it's making the point they want it to make.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That's exactly like the six games we're talking about where Holloway and his two linemates each have a 25%, 25% and 23.5% shooting percentage.

And that meager 14.5% is double his career average.

Canucks fans loved to argue why their players were special and that their unsustainable PDO was different too haha.

You are propping up incompetent management for reasons I don't understand. The guy's 23 and only has room to grow. PDO definitely has a way of working things out but there was nothing PDO-esque on that nice game winner he scored last night. That's a skilled player doing skilled player things.

None of this would even be an issue if Skinner/Arvidsson were doing what they were signed to do but frankly they're not.

 

[russ99]

My biggest gripe is why call a guy up to the NHL level and not give some playing time to him to see what you have, or maybe get a bounce from the league being unfamiliar with them on video.

It's a big deal for a kid to be called up to the NHL and if you just play a guy 3-5 minutes a night, throw them in the pressox and bench them for the smallest indiscretion or even worse yo-yo them back and forth between the NHL and AHL that kills any positivity about their potential future with the club.

Yeah you can slam on Broberg and Holloway all you want, but this team's management and coaching failed them.

Ideally we should have given both a lot more playing time and some with higher level players, not just 4th line or 7th D duty on both these guys to make an earlier and better informed choice about their future well before it got to an offer sheet.

Maybe it would also behoove our vets to not take a quarter season off every year so every regular season game was not hyper critical to give some room for that evaluation.

Not to beat a dead horse, but this is another plus for moving our AHL team to Edmonton, our fans see the day to day growth and become more invested in our prospects, and not so ready to bury them for any defensive mistake or blown offensive chance.

 

[McDNicks17]

You are propping up incompetent management for reasons I don't understand. The guy's 23 and only has room to grow. PDO definitely has a way of working things out but there was nothing PDO-esque on that nice game winner he scored last night. That's a skilled player doing skilled player things.

None of this would even be an issue if Skinner/Arvidsson were doing what they were signed to do but frankly they're not.

Another Canuckism haha. You guys just can't help yourselves.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Another Canuckism haha. You guys just can't help yourselves.

Huh??? What does that even mean? Skilled players make skilled plays all the time. We saw it ourselves last night with McDavid. And no don't even suggest this is comparing the players. I'm saying skilled players make goals happen.

You're also not addressing how Holloway's replacements aren't getting the job done.

 

[Canovin]

So much crying about Holloway and Broberg. Between the two I rather have Broberg

 

[McDNicks17]

Huh??? What does that even mean? Skilled players make skilled plays all the time. We saw it ourselves last night with McDavid. And no don't even suggest this is comparing the players. I'm saying skilled players make goals happen.

You're also not addressing how Holloway's replacements aren't getting the job done.

It's the exact same thing Canucks fans said last season aka a Canuckism.

And the replacements are pretty much irrelevant to me. Unless you have a time machine to go back and let JJ know, I don't really see the point in complaining. Dwelling on something you can't change especially when it's something that's supposed to be part of a fun past time for you just sounds like masochism to me.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's the exact same thing Canucks fans said last season aka a Canuckism.

And the replacements are pretty much irrelevant to me. Unless you have a time machine to go back and let JJ, I don't really see the point in complaining. Dwelling on something you can't change especially when it's something that's supposed to be part of a fun past time for you just sounds like masochism to me.

So much crying about Holloway and Broberg. Between the two I rather have Broberg

For some reason the title of the thread has eluded people, but I'll put that aside.

Poor asset management has plagued this team for a very long time and this is the epitome of it. I can certainly understand the hesitance to match Broberg's offer sheet. That was too much for a player that's still very raw. Holloway's though... Even if he didn't pan out, $2.29m for a couple of years is extremely reasonable. He's doing very well in St. Louis, showing them what he showed us last year. Call it PDO or whatever floats your boat but he's still succeeding in St. Louis. That's the point. McDavid and Draisatl can't drive the offense every single night. Holloway could certainly help in that regard.

 

[McFlash97]

Never made sense to not match Holloway.

Oilers look like absolute bone heads

There's certain posters here who still can't look past the fact that Podkolzin is no Holloway and matching 2 mill was a tough order.... It's mind boggling.

 

[McDNicks17]

Never made sense to not match Holloway.

Oilers look like absolute bone heads

I don't think there's any argument for them matching Holloway. You can't run a 20 man roster that close to the cap. You've got no injury fill-ins and you're accruing no cap space.

Now if you're arguing they should have never signed Skinner and signed Holloway instead, that's a different story.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

That's exactly like the six games we're talking about where Holloway and his two linemates each have a 25%, 25% and 23.5% shooting percentage.

you mean players go hot and cold? Earth-shattering news here

And that meager 14.5% is double his career average.

in a small sample size...he's never played a full season, maybe it's closer to 14.5%

Canucks fans loved to argue why their players were special and that their unsustainable PDO was different too haha.

and Oilers fans love to cope with this loss by trotting out "unsustainable" hahaha

 

[TB12]

For some reason the title of the thread has eluded people, but I'll put that aside.

Poor asset management has plagued this team for a very long time and this is the epitome of it. I can certainly understand the hesitance to match Broberg's offer sheet. That was too much for a player that's still very raw. Holloway's though... Even if he didn't pan out, $2.29m for a couple of years is extremely reasonable. He's doing very well in St. Louis, showing them what he showed us last year. Call it PDO or whatever floats your boat but he's still succeeding in St. Louis. That's the point. McDavid and Draisatl can't drive the offense every single night. Holloway could certainly help in that regard.

Oilers won last night. We get it, that makes you mad. Gotta get your venting out about something Oiler related. Fill your boots. It's just so so sad and predictable.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Oilers won last night. We get it, that makes you mad. Gotta get your venting out about something Oiler related. Fill your boots. It's just so so sad and predictable.

Yup, was really pissed that the goalie that I've been defending so ardently put on another good performance. Man that just boils my blood.

What I don't get is why are people upset about people griping in a thread that's specifically about griping? You wanted us to use specific threads to voice grievances and now apparently even that isn't allowed.

Sorry for questioning Oilers management. They're perfect and have never made an error ever.

 

[TB12]

Yup, was really pissed that the goalie that I've been defending so ardently put on another good performance. Man that just boils my blood.

What I don't get is why are people upset about people griping in a thread that's specifically about griping? You wanted us to use specific threads to voice grievances and now apparently even that isn't allowed.

Sorry for questioning Oilers management. They're perfect and have never made an error ever.

hahahaha your need to bitch and moan about this team is just insane. Yes, this is a gripe thread. Convenient that it sees an uptick in volume from you whenever the Oilers win. Oil win a big game...Skinner plays well....can't...be...happy...MUST...bitch...about....management