The line to apologize to Marc Bergevin starts here ---->

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Posted By 87CROSBYBEST87

If my Penguins are eliminated; I would like to see the Blues or Sharks win the Cup

Always cheer against habs, sens, red wings, flyers and caps

Why the **** are you here troll?

He's just a little kid. Let him have his fun.

 

[Habs Icing]

Those of us who never doubted him didn't have to be "swayed".

Bingo!

 

[FlyingKostitsyn]

btw

As a Pens fan; I was dreading/ fearing the talk that the Penguins were interested in vanek

Thank god it didn't happen - I was dancing a jig when I heard he went to montreal

U jelly bro? Bahaha go away, I'm still grinning

 

[JohnnyB11]

Sorry don't see it at all. Wenow have a guy not wanting to stay and has stated he fully plans on going to free agency. Perfect trade and people wonder why he was gotten so easily and cheaply. BECAUSE NO OTHER GM WAS WILLING TO THROW A PICK OR PROSPECT OUT THEREFOR A GUY NOT WILLING TO RE SIGN.

Thanks for the inside info, Mr. Snow. Only you would know this, yet I can't help but wonder if you're just upset because you got hosed yet again.

Party on, Garth.

 

[groovejuice]

btw

As a Pens fan; I was dreading/ fearing the talk that the Penguins were interested in vanek

Thank god it didn't happen - I was dancing a jig when I heard he went to montreal

We may never know which team offered what. Snow may have turned down better offers than the one he had to accept in the 11th hour.

I can't believe someone did not offer a 1st and a prospect at least.

 

[Habs Icing]

It was a great trade but it's clear that Bergevin doesn't have a set plan or direction.

Seeing as you posted in a foreign language I used IM Translator to translate your post.

Here it is in English:

I don't know enough about GMing a NHL team so I can't keep up with MB's moves.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

The guy added Vanek, Ryder, Weaver, Prust, Brière, Murray, Bouillon for spare parts and salary dumps but he gets hated because he didn't want to add mercenary Jagr. Yet the same people who wanted Jagr also wanted to blow the team up for draft picks.

If he resigns Vanek long term, he'll have done a tremendous job in 2 years. The next step is finding a replacement for Therrien, hopefully when Babcock becomes available.

One good move does not erase a long history of bad moves/non-moves. Just like that...Bergy goes from questionable to the 2nd coming of Sam Pollock.

 

[Frozenice]

Seeing as you posted in a foreign language I used IM Translator to translate your post.

Here it is in English:

I don't know enough about GMing a NHL team so I can't keep up with MB's moves.

What moves?

Did he sign PK?
Did he sign Markov?
Did he trade Bourque?
Did he deal with Briere?
Has he made a decision about Gionta?

What ninja moves did I miss?

He signed a rental that may or may not pan out and may or may not stay here. I'm not convinced it was even a player we should of gone after but we'll see soon enough.

 

[groovejuice]

But he isn't building through the draft. This trade and others fly in the face of that statement.

"Building through the draft" implies letting your scouts bring in the majority of your players. Does not for a second mean "we will never make a trade or sign a free agent".

The only other people who take things this literally are obnoxious people in cheap suits who strive to sell me their religion on my doorstep.

 

[CupInSIX]

btw

As a Pens bandwagoner; I was dreading/ fearing the talk that the Penguins were interested in vanek

Thank god it didn't happen - I was dancing a jig when I heard he went to montreal

As someone who doesn't give a ****, I don't give a ****.

Your next bandwagon is filling up, son: MCDAVIDGOAT

 

[Bob b smith]

I liked the Prust deal... I absolutely hated the Brière deal... I love the Vanek deal. It's just what the doctor ordered. A skilled winger with some size in the Top-6... It colors Bergevin's whole performance as a GM... He's no second coming of Reggie Houle... We were on the wrong side of those deals for years.

 

[29dryden29]

Thanks for the inside info, Mr. Snow. Only you would know this, yet I can't help but wonder if you're just upset because you got hosed yet again.

Party on, Garth.

LOL no inside info just comments he made in interviews on TSN but I am sure that wasn't him saying it right

 

[Smokey Thompson]

Vanek = CANCER

It will fester in the span of 20 games. Ask his ex teammates

Too much backslapping in habsville methinks

Hope you enjoy watching Stempniak on your top line bud.

 

[RealityBytes]

If he resigns Vanek long term, he'll have done a tremendous job in 2 years. The next step is finding a replacement for Therrien, hopefully when Babcock becomes available.

The problem is that Vanek won't re-sign, but even in the remote chance he does, he will cost $7M plus per year. (He already turned down $50M for 7 years and said he wanted to try FA in July.)

That creates the problem of Subban going at $7.5M, Vanek at $7.5M, Markov at $6M (if he is kept at what he is offered) or $21M for three guys to sign for 2014-15. With a salary cap of $26M left for next year, that leaves only $5 for the rest of the holes to fill. In turn, that creates other tough issues.

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

Seeing as you posted in a foreign language I used IM Translator to translate your post.

Here it is in English:

I don't know enough about GMing a NHL team so I can't keep up with MB's moves.

You're being as childish as that Pens fan. Pathetic

Vanek leaves after 20-odd games, we'll still have Emelin for three more years and Briere on a NMC and Desharnais and Therrien.

It was a coup, no doubt, but if we're not building through the draft we shouldn't have done so little last offseason.

I think Bergy didn't plan on this but Snow bit anyway. In short, he winged it and came up with the prize. It's a good problem to have, and it's a good trade but I sincerely doubt Bergevin was banking on this trade.

Seriously, who woulda thought we had Vanek in our sights? And what was the plan if we didn't get him? Back to building through the draft?

 

[No More Subban]

As much as this is a great pick up (mostly if he gets re-signed...if not he likely will be forgotten as quickly as Wisniewski), it does beg the question what exactly is the team's plan...

We're still building through the draft. I think. The fact that we still get to keep Tinordi and Beaulieu.

I can live without Collberg. He's obviously very skilled but he's not really what this team needs.

 

[Frozenice]

nvrmnd.

 

[Wats]

Why does this feel like deja-vu. 10 years ago on deadline, 31 year old Kovalev was added for a prospect and a 2nd by Gainey. He, much to many people's surprised, re-signed with the Habs and went on to be the go to offensive player.

There's quite a bit of parallels that can be made from that 03/04 team and this one. You can argue this one has more talent but I think it's pretty close:

- Biggest difference is Galchenyuk > Kostitsyn in terms of being the team's top prospect and is already producing. You can argue though that at the time Zednik brought similar impact.
- Subban is better and more proven young top pairing D than '04 Markov and he actually has a veteran top pairing D to support him in Markov. Souray was just breaking out offensively at the time.
- Rivet was similar to Gorges now.
- Koivu was similar aged to Plekanec now and brought more impact
- Ryder/Ribiero is similar to Pacioretty/Desharnais duo
- Former Vezina winning goalie Theodore as highly regarded and relied on at the time as Price
- Yanic Perreault and Yan Bulis bring veteran presence/size similar to Gionta/Eller
- Washed up former good point getter Joe Juneau is a lesser version of Briere

 

[No fan fiction]

Repent.

In other words, all the tinfoil hat wearers who post incessantly about conspiracies against Eller & Subban, and about goons, and about Boston this/Boston that should post their best eating crow remarks in this thread?

Never happen. They're too busy contradicting themselves elsewhere and making up more stuff about goons and conspiracies to realize it.

 

[hockeyfan2k11]

"Building through the draft" implies letting your scouts bring in the majority of your players. Does not for a second mean "we will never make a trade or sign a free agent".

The only other people who take things this literally are obnoxious people in cheap suits who strive to sell me their religion on my doorstep.

Don't be simple. Building through the draft doesn't mean anything. Every team in the league builds through the draft.

"building through the draft" has been used to back up all of his silly moves/non-moves. But the second he hits a homerun...it's "oh...he didn't really mean that".

I wonder if Dudley worked out that deal and not Bergy.

 

[MarkovsKnee]

One thing I like about Bergy: last year, he picked up Ryder to get more scoring in the line-up; this year it is Vanek.

Until this organization is able to develop some scorers (maybe Andrighetto or Lehkonen), these kinds of trades are necessary and he's shown a willingness to make them. Good move.

 

[Prendan Brust]

Just yesterday, I was calling our management team a special olympics version of a management team, sorry about that. That management team made me eat my words today because I believe they took a very good gamble at a very well calculated price. Props to Bergevin.

 

[Habs Icing]

Vanek = CANCER

It will fester in the span of 20 games. Ask his ex teammates

Too much backslapping in habsville methinks

Are those the lines you read when you auditioned for Pinocchio?

 

[Hoople]

Discussion between Vanek and his wife, on June 30th :

Vanek: Sweety, I know the plan was to sign in Minnesota and I really am soooooo excited to be living so close to your family and friends, but....

Wife: ....BUT......???

Vanek: Well, playing for the Habs, ''for a winning program'' (???), things just felt different.. Like in a good way... "hearing a sold out crowd, Michel Lacroix giving the home town call, and the other rock star perks'''

Wife: Say that again?? WTF are you on??? Did you take something!!!

Vanek: NO baby.. I mean, they really have great french schools and we always said it would be great if the kids learn TWO languages.

Wife: Is this a ****ing joke???

Vanek: ........ YA of course babe, come here ... you know I would never say no to Minnesota and your dreams ..

Wife: OK ... you're such a loser sometimes lolz ....So like I was saying, I saw the nicest home outside Saint Paul's...

Vanek needs better scene control.

 

[Grant McCagg]

So let's have a look at what he's done lately:

Sent Diaz to VCR for Weise - a bottom line regular. The Canucks had seen enough after six games in which they had a lousy record, and deal him for a fifth.

Trade a fifth for Weaver, an NHL regular for nine seasons, as a 6-7th dman heading into the playoffs. Pushes the Cube one spot further back, which is fine by me. Franky is done.

Picks up a top-line winger and the fifth they lost for Weaver for the same as Pittsburgh paid for Douglas Murray...who Bergy signed for "free" in the summer. Cost nothing off of the roster, a second in a weaker draft, and a prospect who was 5th or lower on the forward prospect depth chart.

Manages to pull off the Vanek deal at the end of the deadline while also dealing with his grieving wife and a funeral.

Pretty hard not to be impressed.