THE HOFF
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you're probably one of the so-called experts who were afraid to give up Higgins for hossa back in the days
The line to apologize to Marc Bergevin starts here ---->
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you're probably one of the so-called experts who were afraid to give up Higgins for hossa back in the days
It wouldn't surprise me if the rights to Vanek are dealt to a team at the draft for a pick if he's not going to sign.
ArtPeur
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Yeah, they were.
Vanek deal is great though so give credit where it's due. And if we re-sign him then it makes the wasted previous offseason moot.
As far as I'm concerned he gets a mulligan on it. Can't change the past and he didn't crush us with long contracts so, it wasn't the end of the world. But Vanek is a GREAT trade. It more than makes up for short term deals to Murray, Briere and Parros. Really hope we can re-sign him to something reasonable here.
So again... cautiously optimistic to see what he'll do going forward. Only now there's actually some good reason to hope.
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actually, the cost was so low that even a rebuilding team HAD to make the deal.
For a guy like Vanek I could see his rights being in demand because the ability to offer him 8 years might be huge!
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I'm not ready to kiss MB's feet yet, I am not sold on the guy, but I really like the move he made today. I'm surprised how low the prices were for rentals this year and he took advantage of it so well done.
If Bergevin can get him signed, then there should be some legit props being handed out. Might take 8M but this is something that needs to be done IMO.
I guess this is the best thread to post this. I have to be very impressed with Marc Bergevin's trade acquisitions today. Thomas Vanek was a big win for the club, Mike Weaver for a 5th rounder and even Devan Dubnyk was a good trade with Nashville keeping 75% of the salary. The Vanek trade does stand out. Conditional 2nd rounder with a conditional 5th rounder coming back and if the Canadiens do not make the playoffs, then Montreal keeps their second round. Normally its the other way round where the 2nd round gets upgraded to a 1st if Montreal makes it to a certain round in the playoffs. Bergevin protected the club nicely with this trade. Even if Vanek is a rental, only losing Colberg who I was still hoping would improve if Montreal could ever get him to North America wouldn't be as painful. Its a good risk vs reward gamble that I am happy that Bergevin was willing to try.
Can Vanek be resigned by Montreal? Possibly although I wouldn't give our chances much hope since Vanek's wife comes from Minnesota and he went to school there. Vanek did note that in Montreal the atmosphere is electric because playing at the Bell Centre is like playing at a soccer stadium in Europe. The serenading, the loud cheers and the unique European atmosphere might appeal to Vanek. If that does appeal to Vanek, what would be required to get him to sign with the club?
Currently Vanek's Cap hit is 7.1 million with Buffalo holding onto some of the salary, the adjusted cap hit is 5.7 million. Probably a big reason why many clubs couldn't get a deal done to get Vanek is so many of the contending teams were close to the cap and needed the Islanders to take money which they were not willing to do. Montreal on the other hand somehow had 8 million of unspent cap space to spend. And this is without the new Rogers TV deal factored in. With Weaver, Dubnyk and then Vanek, Bergevin carefully planned and managed to get all of this under our cap without much trouble.
With our Cap space at 64 million, we actually have left over a little over 600 thousand. Next year our Cap is projected to go up to 71 million, 7 million more which is a hefty increase to the cap. Montreal next year would have 46 million committed to 15 players which would leave us 25 million to sign or resign players which puts us in the better half of the league for cap space. Key signings would have to go to PK Subban who we can offer 8 million a season, Andrei Markov 6 million for one year hopefully. Players like Douglas Murray and Francis Boullion would not return saving us 3 million and Jared Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu would take their place who would also save cap space for the club. George Parros wouldn't return as well.
Subban: 8 million
Markov: 6 million
Weaver: 1.1 million (Resign him to another year)
Ryan White: should be resigned as well.
Beaulieu: 925 thousand
With about 17 million going to these players, Montreal would have about 8 million left to resign Vanek. Would he accept a 7 or more million over 5 year deal to stay in Montreal? Hard to say but we could resign Vanek and sign all our other key pieces. The interesting question will be Markov since he has to be on a one year deal because we have Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Bournival coming off their entry level contracts. Its pretty important that Montreal has the flexibility to resign these players since they all will need to get raises and fit under a new bridge contract.
So if Vanek provides that added and necessary scoring winger that we need to push for long runs in the playoffs, then we should try to resign him. The question will be, do we want to commit 7 million or more to him for a long term deal. My answer is a probable yes.
Can Vanek be resigned by Montreal? Possibly although I wouldn't give our chances much hope since Vanek's wife comes from Minnesota and he went to school there. Vanek did note that in Montreal the atmosphere is electric because playing at the Bell Centre is like playing at a soccer stadium in Europe. The serenading, the loud cheers and the unique European atmosphere might appeal to Vanek. If that does appeal to Vanek, what would be required to get him to sign with the club?
Currently Vanek's Cap hit is 7.1 million with Buffalo holding onto some of the salary, the adjusted cap hit is 5.7 million. Probably a big reason why many clubs couldn't get a deal done to get Vanek is so many of the contending teams were close to the cap and needed the Islanders to take money which they were not willing to do. Montreal on the other hand somehow had 8 million of unspent cap space to spend. And this is without the new Rogers TV deal factored in. With Weaver, Dubnyk and then Vanek, Bergevin carefully planned and managed to get all of this under our cap without much trouble.
With our Cap space at 64 million, we actually have left over a little over 600 thousand. Next year our Cap is projected to go up to 71 million, 7 million more which is a hefty increase to the cap. Montreal next year would have 46 million committed to 15 players which would leave us 25 million to sign or resign players which puts us in the better half of the league for cap space. Key signings would have to go to PK Subban who we can offer 8 million a season, Andrei Markov 6 million for one year hopefully. Players like Douglas Murray and Francis Boullion would not return saving us 3 million and Jared Tinordi and Nathan Beaulieu would take their place who would also save cap space for the club. George Parros wouldn't return as well.
Subban: 8 million
Markov: 6 million
Weaver: 1.1 million (Resign him to another year)
Ryan White: should be resigned as well.
Beaulieu: 925 thousand
With about 17 million going to these players, Montreal would have about 8 million left to resign Vanek. Would he accept a 7 or more million over 5 year deal to stay in Montreal? Hard to say but we could resign Vanek and sign all our other key pieces. The interesting question will be Markov since he has to be on a one year deal because we have Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Bournival coming off their entry level contracts. Its pretty important that Montreal has the flexibility to resign these players since they all will need to get raises and fit under a new bridge contract.
So if Vanek provides that added and necessary scoring winger that we need to push for long runs in the playoffs, then we should try to resign him. The question will be, do we want to commit 7 million or more to him for a long term deal. My answer is a probable yes.
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I've never really crapped on Bergevin so I don't feel I need to apologize.
I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Although he has made some minor mistakes IMO he has not made the big mistakes that his predecessors seemed so fond of making.
He made a great trade for Vanek that will be vaulted to epic status if he can somehow get him re-signed.
Real great job.
I was willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
Although he has made some minor mistakes IMO he has not made the big mistakes that his predecessors seemed so fond of making.
He made a great trade for Vanek that will be vaulted to epic status if he can somehow get him re-signed.
Real great job.
It's cool brah, Briere will be coming off and the cap will most likely be higher as well. Not to mention that Bourque will have 1 year left next year and could be traded while Montreal retains some salary (let's say 500k).
Galchenyuk, Gallagher and Bournival will be fine. I believe Andrighetto might be in the NHL next year, to replace Gionta. They fit, too!
Your right, we really do not know how big the cap will go up with the new Rogers TV deal. Even next year we won't see its impact. Its 2 years from now that the TV contract revenue will get factored in so your right the Cap will go up by a large amount. So the question then becomes, do we want to sign Vanek to a 7 million cap deal? Or do people see a better fit elsewhere? For me I think Vanek fits our system perfectly. Fast, big, good hands and a skill player.
dackelljuneaubulis02
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ughhhh, i got a feeling if it wasn't for the wife we could lock him up.
hopefully she can be swayed.
hopefully she can be swayed.
Ezpz
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Probably not. Quebec isn't an attractive place to live for people who speak English as a first language and don't speak French. Unfortunately for us Vanek is married to an American. Maybe Plekanec can convince him since both Vanek's parents were Czechoslovakian. I'm sure there's private English schools too.
I love this trade and all the moves MB has made this year (hope everyone's over Diaz by now)
But I don't expect Vanek to sign here...I put his chances at re-signing with the Habs at less than 5%
Although lots of goals and a deep playoff run and being adored by a often rabid fanbase might change things
But I don't expect Vanek to sign here...I put his chances at re-signing with the Habs at less than 5%
Although lots of goals and a deep playoff run and being adored by a often rabid fanbase might change things
Agalloch
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Desharnais was very good AGAIN last night. At one point, some of you need to understand that Desharnais at 3.5m with 50-55 points a year is a very good deal.
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Ezpz
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It's never good to have a player getting Patrick Kane type offensive sheltered minutes and barely be a 50 point player.
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With max scoring at that clip then yea I can overlook DD shortcomings. But if Max stops scoring then what? I'd still try my hardest to replace him.
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It shows you how fickle hab fans are. If we get bounced in the 1st round and Vanek doesn't re-sign then Bergie is back to being Gauthier like. We won't see any apology threads.
Solid work by MB and his group. I wouldn't have been mad if he had not moved, but would have been disappointed if Eller was gone. I'm impressed by the trade that got us Vanek, though. I can't say much on Weaver, but it didn't cost us much, so overall, thumbs up.
Good job!
Good job!
Agalloch
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I don't care. At 3.5 it's still a good deal.
Look at the other players with that salary:
Stajan, Matt
Turris, Kyle (great deal)
Ryder, Michael
Tanguay, Alex
Upshall, Scottie
Cullen, Matt
