The Leafs are an enigma

[BrannigansLaw]

If you don't think 5pts in 4gms "looks as good" as 103pts in 82gms then you're either fooling yourself or just can't math.

It's not about what I think, it's about you using pace after 4 games which is dumb as hell.

 

[zeke]

It's not about what I think, it's about you using pace after 4 games which is dumb as hell.

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

They’ve won 2 games and lost 2 games, wow I’m so impressed.

You need to be more than 1 loss away from being below .500 to have a 103 point pace after 82 games in case you didn’t know.

 

[zeke]

They’ve won 2 games and lost 2 games, wow I’m so impressed.

You need to be more than 1 loss away from being below .500 to have a 103 point pace after 82 games in case you didn’t know.

What an awful start! Lol leafs struggling just as expected.

(Why are they struggling?)

Lmao look they can't score.

(But look at their record? Their goals against?)

Lmao small sample! analytics!

 

[Polaris1010]

What do you guys realistically expect for this Leafs team this season?

Myself, I think the following.

1) probably make the playoffs
2) get bounced first round or second round

 

[stuart5035]

Great thread topic .. JT Matty Mitch and Willy are just great guys .. really nice people .. none have a mean bone in their body .. none of them are cut da throat players .. to me this is what i see .. and you can't change people's personalities .. hockey has always been a game of survival of fittest .. sure it is changing but it is still a very competitive game where you have to take what you want .. this core does not have it .. it mimics Dubie .. like I have said it needs to be changed up by someone new who knows hockey .. and we need a stud D and G to come out of rebuild

interesting comment-along the lines of my opinion that the defence should be “menacing”, a place where forwards don’t want to go (and certainly our defence is far from this)

I watched Montreal’s improbable run; and what struck me was their big punishing defence that barred access to the net (Weber, Edmundson, Petry, Chiarot).

I recall St. Louis and their cup win a few years back ( Parayko, Edmundson, Pietrangelo, Bortuzzo).

 

[LegChairGM]

Its starting to feel like the movie "Groundhog Day"; I realize its only 4 games in but I feel like its just a bad continuing sequel from the past few years-how we dominate, putting on a skating clinic, a puck possession marvel ( all the metrics support...

-Is it because of the coaching? My own opinion is no-I think Keefe has done a masterful job as the architect of the system that has led to the above dominance. I'm not sure what else he can do, he has been flexible in the past and he has been creative, such as loading up the offence in the last few moments of games, playing Marner on the penalty kill etc.

-Is it because of a lack of 'crease presence' ( i.e. too many pretty passes but with no bodies in front, it all leads to opponent goalies easily seeing the shots). This one has legs, but I don't watch enough other teams to know if this is unique to the Leaf's? I have read that many feel it is a lack of shooters, but I think not personally; Nylander and Matthews are known for their shots.

-Is it because opponents come to our rink instructed to 'collapse around their net' in the face of our offense ( or our supposed offense this year so far); thereby creating an impenetrable barrier, and, as a natural byproduct, making the goalie look other-worldly?
......

No. It's because half our cap is spent on four players. No team has ever won a cup with that cap structure - or even made it past the first round of the playoffs.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

What do you guys realistically expect for this Leafs team this season?

Myself, I think the following.

1) probably make the playoffs
2) get bounced first round or second round

An early playoff exit and no changes I’d expect.

I’d like to see a cup then we can do whatever but that’s unlikely so if we exit I’d like to see a big change. Tavares/Marner I’d be eyeing first

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I believe the Leafs play to the level of their competition.

They seem to let up on the power play when the other team is a man short.

zero urgency

It's because deep down, they don't really care that much. It's just a job.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

What’s their pace now?

 

[mikeyz]

What do you guys realistically expect for this Leafs team this season?

Myself, I think the following.

1) probably make the playoffs
2) get bounced first round or second round

I honestly don't think they will make the playoffs.

 

[Dreakmur]

What’s their pace now?

Now he'll say it's too small a sample size... even though it's larger than the sample size he just used.....

 

[ECYCLE]

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

Here's some actual analytics for ya to chew on (from evolving hockey, some really great stuff). Marner and Tavares have been total liabilities as per GAR, WAR & SPAR. Of course, it's far too early for everyone especially Matthews, but it feels nice for the eye test to be matching up with analytics so far.

Player	Season	Team	Position	GP	TOI_All	EVO_GAR	EVD_GAR	PPO_GAR	SHD_GAR	Take_GAR	Draw_GAR	Off_GAR	Def_GAR	Pens_GAR	GAR	WAR	SPAR
Auston Matthews	21-22	TOR	C	1	22.9	-0.1	0.1	-0.3	0	0.1	-0.1	-0.4	0.1	0	-0.2	0	-0.1
John Tavares	21-22	TOR	C	4	81.9	0.1	-0.6	-0.5	0	-0.2	0	-0.4	-0.6	-0.2	-1.2	-0.2	-0.4
Mitch Marner	21-22	TOR	C	4	88.7	-1.1	-0.2	-0.6	0.1	-0.2	-0.2	-1.7	-0.1	-0.4	-2.2	-0.4	-0.7
William Nylander	21-22	TOR	C	4	78.7	0.6	0.7	-0.5	0	0	0.2	0.1	0.7	0.2	1	0.2	0.3

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

EDIT: Game 5 probably wasn't very good for Marner.

 

[Bomber0104]

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

Revise these stats.

And while you do that, remind us if Bozak is better than Bergeron?

 

[Gabriel426]

Just wondering what is the pace now with 2-2-1?
What would the pace be if the records is 3-2-1, 2-3-1 and 2-2-2?

 

[Gabriel426]

I honestly don't think they will make the playoffs.

They are going to make the playoffs, bc they are actually not scoring and whenever there are teams who can’t score, they are label build for playoffs.
The current Leafs is build for playoffs.

Honestly, I have no doubt they will make the playoffs.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

The Dubas Era will go down as another epic failure. Move over Fergy, Burkie your in my spot.

 

[sittler rules!!!]

They are going to make the playoffs, bc they are actually not scoring and whenever there are teams who can’t score, they are label build for playoffs.
The current Leafs is build for playoffs.

Honestly, I have no doubt they will make the playoffs.

Awful optimistic. Lightning, Panthers, Bruins all better and will finish ahead.
In the other division Caps, Isles, and Canes.
They will be battling for a wildcard spot with most likely the Sens, Pens, Flyers and Rangers, and I don't like their chances.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Marner is a huge part of the issue with the Leafs.
Cause of cap space deadlock, vs value
He has not improved as a professional since yr 2
He believes he is elite and he can survive on 80%. If you don't believe that go and view film from yr 1 and 2.
His personal life has become dominant, hockey is a sideline.
He has gone from an ability to drive a line from the wing, to being an anchor.
When was the last time was behind the other teams D. His imagination has become dipsy with no doodle

 

[egd27]

2-1-1
5pts in 4gms
.625pts%
103pts pace

All the exact same thing.

And not one of them "analytics".

But keep going you guys and try to make fun of both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

uh oh

2-4-1
5pts in 7gms
.357pts%
59 pts pace

All the exact same thing.

But keep going and continue to prop up both analytics and the team's win loss record all at the same time.

Still good with this "pace" thing?