What a riveting contribution.
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Well it does imply that the infected aren't going to be violent against you if you don't resist.
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LMAO come on seriously? Part II was really good. I wouldn't change a thing if I could.
keep in mind if you reply not to give any major spoilers, alot of people in here haven't played the game
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Only certain infected? Because just this episode someone was killed when not being aggressive to the infected.
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Part 2 was a very solid game (though no where near as good as part 1), until the home stretch. Part 1's home stretch was powerful and satisfying. Part 2's home stretch was more unrealistic than zombies and frankly unsatisfying.
That's my opinion. Everyone is free to their own. But I will probably never play Part 2 again. I'll definitely play Part 1 again (and already have many times).
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ok fair enough, I thought it was because of another reason. I dont want to say in here. lol
I liked the brothers' relationship. It did a lot of what Bill and Frank's story was supposedly intended to do--show the value in caring for and protecting others--but did so as part of the main story and in front of Joel's face, rather than in a flashback and letter. The ending really caught me off guard with how sudden it was.
I'm glad that Kathleen is dead. That was some of the worst casting that I can remember. Every scene was hard to take seriously.
I was a little surprised at how dumb Ellie was to think that she could cure Sam and then sleep next to him, but, thinking about it, I appreciate that she's still naïve like a kid and has a lot to learn. It would've been easy for the writers to turn this into another Kenobi/Leia situation and have Ellie be more wasteland smart than Joel, despite being a quarter of the age.
I'm glad that Kathleen is dead. That was some of the worst casting that I can remember. Every scene was hard to take seriously.
I was a little surprised at how dumb Ellie was to think that she could cure Sam and then sleep next to him, but, thinking about it, I appreciate that she's still naïve like a kid and has a lot to learn. It would've been easy for the writers to turn this into another Kenobi/Leia situation and have Ellie be more wasteland smart than Joel, despite being a quarter of the age.
This last episode pretty much disproved that, IMO. I think that they weren't violent towards Tess simply because they sensed that she was already infected. In fact, I imagine that the "kiss" may've been to speed up her infection (by delivering it directly to her head) so that she'd become one of them sooner.
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Well there you go. I noticed some posts in here were complaining about Kathleen's irresponsible decision including 1) the prioritization of the hunt for Henry over the collapsing basement and likely cordyceps infection lurking underneath and 2) her sudden execution of the only doctor in the colony. How could such a person making such rash emotional decisions be in charge of this revolutionary group for so long? Well, she was only in charge of the colony for a whopping 11 days.
I think it's pretty likely if these revolutionaries had never discovered where Joel, Ellie, Sam and Henry were and the subsequent collapse of the ground and emergence of the infected had never occurred, they were living on borrowed time based on the poor-decision making skills of Kathleen. It was only a matter of time (a couple days at most by the looks of things in episode 4) before the infected emerged from the collapsing basement in that downtown building to overrun and destroy the remaining Kansas City colony. She let her desire for vengeance overrule the need to deal with an immediate threat to the colony.
Another good episode displaying a growing bond between Ellie and Sam so it was pretty heartbreaking to see him die so suddenly. I was looking forward to seeing both Henry and Sam for at least another episode. The moment after Henry had to kill Sam was gut-wrenching. After all he had been through - selling out kathleen's brother to acquire the chemo necessary to save Sam's life only to have Sam die not long after. Hiding out for a few weeks and seemingly home free to start a new life in another state only to have it all snatched away in an instant. He really didn't have anything else to live for after that.
I think it's pretty likely if these revolutionaries had never discovered where Joel, Ellie, Sam and Henry were and the subsequent collapse of the ground and emergence of the infected had never occurred, they were living on borrowed time based on the poor-decision making skills of Kathleen. It was only a matter of time (a couple days at most by the looks of things in episode 4) before the infected emerged from the collapsing basement in that downtown building to overrun and destroy the remaining Kansas City colony. She let her desire for vengeance overrule the need to deal with an immediate threat to the colony.
Another good episode displaying a growing bond between Ellie and Sam so it was pretty heartbreaking to see him die so suddenly. I was looking forward to seeing both Henry and Sam for at least another episode. The moment after Henry had to kill Sam was gut-wrenching. After all he had been through - selling out kathleen's brother to acquire the chemo necessary to save Sam's life only to have Sam die not long after. Hiding out for a few weeks and seemingly home free to start a new life in another state only to have it all snatched away in an instant. He really didn't have anything else to live for after that.
It seems that she had to have been in charge for longer than 11 days. 11 days ago was when FEDRA was wiped out in Kansas City, but Henry turned Kathleen's brother over to FEDRA in exchange for leukemia drugs. I imagine that it had to have taken at least months for Sam to recover (especially enough to play soccer with Ellie) and for the resistance to bounce back from the loss of its leader and wipe out FEDRA. The latter suggests that Kathleen was, in fact, a good leader. Her second in command said as much when he told her that her brother didn't change anything and she did. She led them to eliminate FEDRA, and did so without letting anger towards Henry get in the way, then turned her attention to him only after FEDRA fell. That suggests that she was a capable leader who did know how to prioritize and wasn't distracted by revenge. That's not the Kathleen that we were shown, but that's the criticism that you're referring to, that the leader that we saw didn't look like the leader that she had to have been to earn everyone's trust and lead them to success.
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I think she was doing it moreso to calm Sam down, less so than expecting to actually cure him. I don't think she intended to fall asleep (she was in a chair).
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Nope, I was fine with that except that the used bait and switch marketing on that particular point. I do not support that. But that point... it was expected to me. However, the last 10% of the game ruined it for me.
I'm not going to spoil this, but something pertaining to this is discussed in the quick preview for the next episode.
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Got it. I cut off the credits before it gets to the 'next time' nonsense. Have always hated spoilers for a show I'm watching.
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Yup that part with Jessie. yeah I know exactly what ur talking about. the you think Id let you do this alone part right? I didnt find any part of it ruined it for me. I thought it was a unique way of story telling. had a deep meaning to it.
I don't know. He seemed rather calm about it and it was rather extreme to slice open her hand if she knew that it wouldn't work. Also, if she knew that it wouldn't work, then it was foolish to stay in the room and risk the possibility of falling asleep, and, if she did it, anyways, she probably would've been too worried and vigilant to fall asleep. The fact that she did fall asleep suggests to me that she didn't feel like she was in danger because she believed that her blood would help. She also left the "I'm sorry" note on his grave, which I interpreted as "I'm sorry that my treatment failed." It doesn't matter, though, and it sounds like we'll find out next week.
Same. I hate previews. I'm going to watch the next episode, anyways, so I don't see the point of spoiling anything for myself.
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Episode 5 spoilers:
Sam and Henry hit way harder for me than they did in the game...damn. The bait and switch for the game players with Ellie's makeshift blood transfusion was genius. Gave you just a glimmer of hope that their fates may be different in the show. Fantastic stuff.
Like many others have said though, the casting of Kathleen was an abject failure. Her presence and delivery was so unauthentic that it actively took me out of the moment in both 4 and 5. Such a shame.
Like many others have said though, the casting of Kathleen was an abject failure. Her presence and delivery was so unauthentic that it actively took me out of the moment in both 4 and 5. Such a shame.
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Kathleen is clearly incompetent, so the casting fits that, IMO. I don't think we're supposed to "buy" her.
All the character stuff in Ep. 5 was great. I thought the final action sequence was a huge-miss. It felt less cinematic and more videogame complete-an-objective. Just one of things where it's like, they're adapting an amazing story to screen, but still feel beholden to the limitations set by the prior medium. Gameplay action vs cutscene action in games is entirely different, and I don't think the former translates super well.
All the character stuff in Ep. 5 was great. I thought the final action sequence was a huge-miss. It felt less cinematic and more videogame complete-an-objective. Just one of things where it's like, they're adapting an amazing story to screen, but still feel beholden to the limitations set by the prior medium. Gameplay action vs cutscene action in games is entirely different, and I don't think the former translates super well.
I thought Kathleen was fine. Like I feel like I'm getting what they were going for where others aren't. Her performance didn't blow me away and I won't remember the character long after this show is over or anything but I felt like they were going for a kind of "what if an ordinary soccer mom type that sounds meek became a psychopathic leader of a resistance force that overthrows a totalitarian regime in an apocalypse?" Like I don't expect a character like that to sound like some convincing hard ass. Saying the right words and having the right information network doesn't have to translate to sounding like a leader, like Marlene from episode 1. She struck me as someone who became what she did because she was, like others, fed up. It's fine if it didn't land with people, but I thought she served the role fine. Nothing special, but not terrible either..just for me.
I like where they're going with the development of Joel and Ellie's relationship. Not just the "Ellie made Joel laugh stuff." I think with Joel you're starting to see the latent parental instincts coming through wishing Ellie didn't have to see all the terrible shit in this world at her age and the line between having to keep Ellie safe for the good of a cure and keeping her safe because he cares about her is starting to get blurred. There's some lines that tip this off but it's driven even more by the subtleties in Pascal's physical performance. Other than his inconsistent Texan accent, I think he's lived up to his top billing so far.
And I wanted to talk about this yesterday but Bella is really doing a great job with Ellie. Through the first three or so episodes you see that she's built up this protective armor of snark and aggression, but through 4 and 5 you still see that childhood innocence coming through. She's still just a kid. And when given the opportunity to be a kid with Sam, she revels in it. But between killing someone in 4 and watching what happened with Sam and Henry in 5, she shows just how rough it is to see these things at this age. By the end of the episode she's defeated, numb, and just wants to get moving again. The smiles, laughter, and jokes are gone. It's a lot to ask for a young actress to deliver, but she's done well.
I like where they're going with the development of Joel and Ellie's relationship. Not just the "Ellie made Joel laugh stuff." I think with Joel you're starting to see the latent parental instincts coming through wishing Ellie didn't have to see all the terrible shit in this world at her age and the line between having to keep Ellie safe for the good of a cure and keeping her safe because he cares about her is starting to get blurred. There's some lines that tip this off but it's driven even more by the subtleties in Pascal's physical performance. Other than his inconsistent Texan accent, I think he's lived up to his top billing so far.
And I wanted to talk about this yesterday but Bella is really doing a great job with Ellie. Through the first three or so episodes you see that she's built up this protective armor of snark and aggression, but through 4 and 5 you still see that childhood innocence coming through. She's still just a kid. And when given the opportunity to be a kid with Sam, she revels in it. But between killing someone in 4 and watching what happened with Sam and Henry in 5, she shows just how rough it is to see these things at this age. By the end of the episode she's defeated, numb, and just wants to get moving again. The smiles, laughter, and jokes are gone. It's a lot to ask for a young actress to deliver, but she's done well.
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I thought it was good. I don't know what you mean by completing an objective. The way it played out for me was just sheer chaos. Like, to me it'd be one thing and video game-like if they followed the action from the perspective of a single character but there's a pretty fair interplay between Ellie trying to escape, Joel trying to pick infected off of her, and Kathleen+military dude trying to get the situation under control. I watched the episode twice and I'm not really understanding how that sequence was too video game like.
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You argued something similar yesterday, but being intentional or what they were going for isn't a defense from criticism, IMO. If it were, you could defend just about anything in any TV show or film on the grounds that it's what the filmmakers intended. Film criticism is largely judging what filmmakers thought were good ideas. It shouldn't matter very much what their intentions were. Tommy Wiseau intended for The Room to be a serious film. Whoever made the Star Wars Holiday Special intended for it to be entertaining. Understanding that these filmmakers were going for "what if an ordinary soccer mom type that sounds meek became a psychopathic leader of a resistance force that overthrows a totalitarian regime in an apocalypse" doesn't make it less absurd or safe from criticism.
