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Let's face it, they basically all suck when compared to Lombardi.
Confirmed with Link: The koala has been fired!! Todd McLellan fired, Jim Hiller named Interim Head Coach
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I just did a google search and found some articles over the years. I’m on mobile now but here are a couple quick ones
The Making of a Coach | Northern Magazine
New York Rangers: The case for Jim Hiller’s coaching candidacy
https://theathletic.com/642521/2018...velop-leafs-assistant-coach-jim-hiller/?amp=1
Herby
How could Blake have known?
Another name on the AEG payroll post second cup that is paid to not play or coach the Kings, due to firings, buyouts or contract retention.
Mike Richards
Matt Greene
Marian Gaborik
Dion Phaneuf
John Stevens
Todd McLellan
Ivan Provorov
Anyone I am forgetting? And hey, the biggest one could be next.
Go enjoy your long paid vacation Todd, I hope you don’t feel bad, as Canada Bill Jones said “it’s immoral to let a sucker keep his money”
Mike Richards
Matt Greene
Marian Gaborik
Dion Phaneuf
John Stevens
Todd McLellan
Ivan Provorov
Anyone I am forgetting? And hey, the biggest one could be next.
Go enjoy your long paid vacation Todd, I hope you don’t feel bad, as Canada Bill Jones said “it’s immoral to let a sucker keep his money”
The Pearson for Hagelin deal proved Blake he had no idea what he was doing...
The Pearson for Hagelin deal proved Blake he had no idea what he was doing...
I get this isn't your forte, but let's expand on that, HOW does it prove that?
If you don't like the Mailloux pick there's point even arguing, you clearly don't care about icing the best possible team
Chazz Reinhold
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Lol. Pieces of shit aren't entitled to an NHL career, and drafting players with massive red flags is a great recipe to building a dysfunctional locker room.
I don't think I'd trust you talent evaluation skills anyway.
Value of: - Top Dollar for Lafreniere
Best he stays far away from Montréal if you don't want Laf to become suicidal Good point
What wingers do you think should be tried as a centre and what centres should be converted to a winger?
Yeah, but keeping Mackinnon as a C allows him to use his best tool, skating, more than playing at wing would. There is talk of playing Yurov at C this year. He has the wheels and size for it. It's easy for most (not all) C's to become wings, much harder to do the reverse. Ya when you have a...
Speculation: - LA Kings Offseason Thread
PLD is legit mid. Iafallo himself might be just as good
Speculation: - LA Kings Offseason Thread
I think Brendan Dillon will be part of the deal and solve the bottom pair D and some toughness. If not, then the Kings will looks at Beaulieu and a trade for Nick Seeler.
LeBrun: - Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season
LA is interesting. They have some pieces there
Auston Matthews (Trade or Keep)? (CANNOT re-sign before July 1st. - NMC July 1st.)
Yeah I see that now. But I don't see the ducks trading for Matthews. Why would they, they got a solid foundation being built. Trading for Matthews would basically be like the leafs signing Tavares. Extremely short sighted and likely a bad move in the long run. Terrific post. Well said. **...
Zegras - Unimpressive
Terrible take How? Be specific. Caufeild is significantly better. He’s already one of the best goal scorers in the league. Cozens is producing the same with less opportunity and plays a better all around game. Both those guys are better than him that’s a fact. Boldy produces a bit less but...
Proposal: - Calgary - Los Angeles: Dustin Wolf for Quinton Byfield
Purely hypothetical, which of these prospects has more value at the moment and which team would win this trade in the long run? Wolf is one of the top goaltending prospects in the world with a pretty ridiculous resume for a 21 year old 2021-22 AHL goaltender of the year 2021-22 AHL...
You're telling me Byfield is better than Stutzle because a chart says so?Lol. Pieces of shit aren't entitled to an NHL career, and drafting players with massive red flags is a great recipe to building a dysfunctional locker room.
I don't think I'd trust you talent evaluation skills anyway.
Value of: - Top Dollar for Lafreniere
Best he stays far away from Montréal if you don't want Laf to become suicidal Good pointforums.hfboards.com
What wingers do you think should be tried as a centre and what centres should be converted to a winger?
Yeah, but keeping Mackinnon as a C allows him to use his best tool, skating, more than playing at wing would. There is talk of playing Yurov at C this year. He has the wheels and size for it. It's easy for most (not all) C's to become wings, much harder to do the reverse. Ya when you have a...
Speculation: - LA Kings Offseason Thread
PLD is legit mid. Iafallo himself might be just as good
Speculation: - LA Kings Offseason Thread
I think Brendan Dillon will be part of the deal and solve the bottom pair D and some toughness. If not, then the Kings will looks at Beaulieu and a trade for Nick Seeler.
LeBrun: - Dubois wants out of Winnipeg, will not sign a contract for next season
LA is interesting. They have some pieces there
Auston Matthews (Trade or Keep)? (CANNOT re-sign before July 1st. - NMC July 1st.)
Yeah I see that now. But I don't see the ducks trading for Matthews. Why would they, they got a solid foundation being built. Trading for Matthews would basically be like the leafs signing Tavares. Extremely short sighted and likely a bad move in the long run. Terrific post. Well said. **...
Zegras - Unimpressive
Terrible take How? Be specific. Caufeild is significantly better. He’s already one of the best goal scorers in the league. Cozens is producing the same with less opportunity and plays a better all around game. Both those guys are better than him that’s a fact. Boldy produces a bit less but...
Proposal: - Calgary - Los Angeles: Dustin Wolf for Quinton Byfield
Purely hypothetical, which of these prospects has more value at the moment and which team would win this trade in the long run? Wolf is one of the top goaltending prospects in the world with a pretty ridiculous resume for a 21 year old 2021-22 AHL goaltender of the year 2021-22 AHL...
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PLD was really my only miss there but good effort. I'd say get a hobby but hey, you do you
Lt Dan
F*** your ice cream!
Chazz Reinhold
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I'm not telling you anything. Your own pudding brain has put plenty out there for everyone to see.
Not what I was asking, you said that trade PROVES something...and I am asking you how.....
lol, I have to admit, after scrolling through all of his UFA signings and now scrolling through all of his trades, they actually look worse than what I even recollect. The only thing he's been okay at is RFA signings and drafting somewhat but even that is dirtied with our player development program that he is responsible for putting in place...The Pearson for Hagelin deal proved Blake he had no idea what he was doing...
From what I can tell, maybe not Blake etc, but those aren't ALL the deals/signings etc, good list, but not 100% accurate
Pearson was a former 1st rounder and 20 goal scorer and they traded him for Carl Hagelin?
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
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I think Blake had it better than most in terms of a starting point. If you look at his results over 7 years and you add in what looks to be a disaster trade and signing with PLD... Fiala for a 1st and future Norris level player in Faber, Peterson deal, his big HC hire (Koala) - these were all big misses. You can say jury is still out on PLD - I doubt much changes tho - and that is a franchise anchoring mistake. You net it all out and I still say Blake has done about the worst. Edit: one last thing. The prioritization of PLD at the expense of a goalies and 3LD and blowing out his cap to the point he could only keep 20 guys on the roster.. that is really bad planning.
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An expiring contract, after Pearson coming off of a broken leg....you realize there is more to trades than just draft position and points, right?
KingsHockey24
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Sorry I'm late ; TM was only 30% of the problem.
Most of this lies on Rob Blake.
Most of this lies on Rob Blake.
BigKing
Blake Out of Hell III: Back in to Hell
Blake inherited a team capable of black holing or maybe winning one playoff round. Pipeline was pretty barren so his initial mandate was to get that back on track while still contending.
The 2018 team had a Top 4 of Doughty/Muzzin/Martinez/Forbort. Behind that, you're getting 65 games out of Frolin, 34 from Big Mac, 26 from The Dion, 27 from Fantenberg. Rough. They had a roster capable of winning games but it couldn't handle an injury to anyone important, like, a #4 defenseman going down meant they were screwed. We already saw this with a better roster in 2016: Martinez is hurt so we've got four games of Jamie McBain in the playoffs coupled with five Corpse of Scuderi games.
Point being is that *everything* had to go right. Losing Carter isn't everything going right, but that got covered up by Kopitar's huge season, Carter scoring a bunch of goals on one leg upon his return and the Kings back-up goalies going a combined 12-1-5, kind of like Copley's record last season. Well, Muzzin gets banged up and we're right back to having four games of Folin and Fantenberg. Two games of Ladue. One of Gravel. This is not a roster close to contending but, no, all it needs is more scoring even though Quick had to put up a .947% to make a sweep seem "close".
Do you believe the outlier season of 92 points for Kopitar or do you think he will probably settle back to normalcy? Carter was never the same player after the ankle cut and was saying he wasn't 100% at the start of camp, meaning he wasn't 100% when Blake tried to trade a 1st for Pacioretty and then signed an old guy that chose to play here only because of the extra year on the deal. Once again betting on nothing going wrong in a season that features a defense depending on Fantenberg, because he supposedly was good in one playoff game, and scrap heap Dion Phaneuf. Poof.
All this to say that he did inherit a team capable of winning games. It was a better NHL team than Taylor or Lombardi inherited but the latter inherited a much better pipeline: Taylor inherited jack shit. Blake either completely miscalculated how good that roster really was, or he just didn't want to make tough decisions so he mostly did nothing. Neither is acceptable.
Then he was given the chance to blow it all up and do what he wanted. Once again, he doesn't read the roster correctly and here we are with PLD except, this time, there can't be an argument of "it didn't cost the Kings anything" or "they won the Jennings last season and just need more scoring": he traded for a center when he used half of his draft picks on them, re-signed Kopitar for two more years after this one and already has Danault and a former 2OA on the active roster.
The 2018 team had a Top 4 of Doughty/Muzzin/Martinez/Forbort. Behind that, you're getting 65 games out of Frolin, 34 from Big Mac, 26 from The Dion, 27 from Fantenberg. Rough. They had a roster capable of winning games but it couldn't handle an injury to anyone important, like, a #4 defenseman going down meant they were screwed. We already saw this with a better roster in 2016: Martinez is hurt so we've got four games of Jamie McBain in the playoffs coupled with five Corpse of Scuderi games.
Point being is that *everything* had to go right. Losing Carter isn't everything going right, but that got covered up by Kopitar's huge season, Carter scoring a bunch of goals on one leg upon his return and the Kings back-up goalies going a combined 12-1-5, kind of like Copley's record last season. Well, Muzzin gets banged up and we're right back to having four games of Folin and Fantenberg. Two games of Ladue. One of Gravel. This is not a roster close to contending but, no, all it needs is more scoring even though Quick had to put up a .947% to make a sweep seem "close".
Do you believe the outlier season of 92 points for Kopitar or do you think he will probably settle back to normalcy? Carter was never the same player after the ankle cut and was saying he wasn't 100% at the start of camp, meaning he wasn't 100% when Blake tried to trade a 1st for Pacioretty and then signed an old guy that chose to play here only because of the extra year on the deal. Once again betting on nothing going wrong in a season that features a defense depending on Fantenberg, because he supposedly was good in one playoff game, and scrap heap Dion Phaneuf. Poof.
All this to say that he did inherit a team capable of winning games. It was a better NHL team than Taylor or Lombardi inherited but the latter inherited a much better pipeline: Taylor inherited jack shit. Blake either completely miscalculated how good that roster really was, or he just didn't want to make tough decisions so he mostly did nothing. Neither is acceptable.
Then he was given the chance to blow it all up and do what he wanted. Once again, he doesn't read the roster correctly and here we are with PLD except, this time, there can't be an argument of "it didn't cost the Kings anything" or "they won the Jennings last season and just need more scoring": he traded for a center when he used half of his draft picks on them, re-signed Kopitar for two more years after this one and already has Danault and a former 2OA on the active roster.
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bland
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He has failed at three attempts to right the ship in all three ways possible: he may have been dealt a hand that couldn't win the pot, but damned if he didn't louse up the maintenance route by going all in on hoping to flop an inside straight when folding was clearly the best option.
Then he 3/4-ed a rebuild. He made some nice judgements in dealing away Cup side pieces but ignored moving a big fish. But he abandoned the rebuild two years and potentially two or three impact players early. He dealt Kupari and Vilardi, let Bjornfot shrivel on the vine, and sent away two more firsts before the rebuild actually bared any legitimate fruit. Plus he will forever be the dolt that traded away Faber. That's an F for that attempt.
Then he went with the "buy some success" attempt and whiffed on Dubois and foul-tipped on Fiala, but PLANNED on questionable goaltending with not 22, but 21 men. Then he had to fire his coach after a collapse Andy Murray would smirk at. FAILURE.
Add in the ridiculous decision of the tried and truism of not playing two RHDs together, which is astonishing since he was a RHD and damn well knew better.
Said this two years ago KNOWING this garbage right now was always the most likely outcome, Blake is the worst GM in teams history.
AbsentMojo
F-ing get up and hunt! Cmon Todd!
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Someone wanted Hiller info here's something:
nmu.edu
The Making of a Coach | Northern Magazine
At age 33, Jim Hiller ’95 BS made the transition that every professional athlete eventually must make— from player to ex-player. While some athletes struggle with this change, coming to grips with a new identity and casting about for a new focus, Hiller knew exactly what he wanted to do next. In...
Blake should be fired:
Petersen contract
Todd extension
PLD contract
Petersen contract
Todd extension
PLD contract
DoktorJeep
Luc and Rob are a waste of time and money.
For a fun trip down memory lane….Coach Todd almost made it to the 5 year mark.
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Confirmed with Link: - Todd Mclellan named head coach
Report: Todd McLellan will be named the head coach of the LA Kings According to Bob McKenzie of TSN the next head coach of the LA Kings will be Todd McLellan. McLellan last coached the Edmonton Oilers and after some early struggles, was shown the door.
Jericho111091
Registered User
Rob Blake, Nelson Emerson, Marc Bergeron, Luc Robitaille, Glenn Murray, Matt Greene, Jared Stoll, Sean O'Donnell.
No problem with a few of those guys, but back in the Lombardi days the Kings had a mix of former executives, lawyers, and players.
Soloman and Futa left.
Now it's just all Blake's friends and ex players.
No problem with a few of those guys, but back in the Lombardi days the Kings had a mix of former executives, lawyers, and players.
Soloman and Futa left.
Now it's just all Blake's friends and ex players.
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