The jury is officially in: Alexis Lafreniere is a complete bust

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FoxysExpensiveNYDigs

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Pacing for 51 points. Showing improvement in shot generation. Happy with his progress this season.

You think a highly not just a first overall pick but a highly touted one failing to score 60 points isn't a bust? If he never scores over 60 he should maybe look to play overseas. The guy was not drafted to be putting up third line numbers.
Yup a 22 year old might as well play overseas if they havent cracked 60 points. Definitely no room for future development. Ridiculous take.
 

Nathaniel Skywalker

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Pacing for 51 points. Showing improvement in shot generation. Happy with his progress this season.


Yup a 22 year old might as well play overseas if they havent cracked 60 points. Definitely no room for future development. Ridiculous take.
Lol yeah I'm sure. 51 points for him is an improvement but the guy is for sure a bust lol.

Maybe if he didn't dominate in the juniors and then precide to be named mvp at the world juniours 51 points might seem good in his 4th season.
 

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Lol yeah I'm sure. 51 points for him is an improvement but the guy is for sure a bust lol.

Maybe if he didn't dominate in the juniors and then precide to be named mvp at the world juniours 51 points might seem good in his 4th season.
I consider a bust someone who cannot stay in the NHL. Yeah sure there were higher hopes for him but he is not a bust.
 

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He gets absolutely no power play time. He gets the last 35 seconds when the Rangers are chasing and collecting the puck behind their own net. I’d say 55-60 points with 95%+ being at ES is pretty impressive.
 

Nathaniel Skywalker

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You obviously dont know what a bust is.
OK so then enlighten me. Why are you and I currently having this conversation on a thread with the topic of him being a bust. 39 pages in nevertheless? Lol. Seems to me I'm not the only one with this opinion.

He's a bust so far relative to his draft expectations. He can be a serviceable second liner and still carry that torch
 

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I consider a bust someone who cannot stay in the NHL. Yeah sure there were higher hopes for him but he is not a bust.

As a fellow NYR fan, I think there’s an in between. If he starts scoring 50+ points per year, but never significantly more, I would call that a disappointment but not a bust. However if he fails to reach 50 this year and again doesn’t progress next year, even if he stays in the NHL as a chippy 40 point guy, that’s pretty much a bust at that point.

Guys like Malholtra stayed in the league but were definitely busts. It’s possible to find a niche and stick around but also be a bust. If Yakupov had been able to turn himself into a speedy penalty killer who played 12 minutes a night and scored 30 points per season but was a reliable fourth liner, to me that would be a bust, despite carving out a way to stay in the NHL.

Laf is hovering in the middle right now - what he’s doing this season, he’s in the “not a bust but disappointing for his hype” territory. If he can keep this up and even continue to progress, he’ll be only moderately disappointing, based on draft pedigree, but a worthwhile player. If he regresses and his pace slows to 45 or less, he’s definitely still in limbo between being a bust and being a disappointing 1OA. I have a hard time imagining he will ever live up to his 1OA status, let alone the hype he had as a better than average 1OA, but if he can manage a steady 55 per year… that’s not a bust, just much less than was hoped for. As a 40 point third liner? It doesn’t really matter if it’s an “official” bust or not… it’s a failure.

Obviously I hope he continues and actually takes another step. Right now he has points in 17 of 35 games but 22 points, and he’s riding shotgun to one of the hottest players in the NHL (Panarin) and a center having a career year (Trochek). His production is way behind theirs. Obviously PP time is a factor there (though 18% of his points are PP points as well), but I also have to be fair in assessing that while his numbers are improved this year, he’s still not really capable of creating anything on his own, which is definitely an expectation for a highly touted high end pick. He’s kind of still Jimmy Vesey playing on a better line. Its tough to really measure the season Laf is having.
 
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FoxysExpensiveNYDigs

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OK so then enlighten me. Why are you and I currently having this conversation on a thread with the topic of him being a bust. 39 pages in nevertheless? Lol. Seems to me I'm not the only one with this opinion.

He's a bust so far relative to his draft expectations. He can be a serviceable second liner and still carry that torch
Because people on a hockey prospect board are obsessed with being right about calling out busts from other teams. There is already a thread about 19 year old Slafkovsky being a bust. Unfortunately there is no enlightening the masses of "LOL what a bust" dim posters.
 
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Nathaniel Skywalker

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Because people on a hockey prospect board are obsessed with being right about calling out busts from other teams. There is already a thread about 19 year old Slafkovsky being a bust. Unfortunately there is no enlightening the masses of "LOL what a bust" dim posters.
Them take it out on those posters in that thread. Instead of getting all pissy in this thread
 

pekka55

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A disappointment relative to expectations? Sure.
A bust? GTFOH.
Call it what you want, but he was touted as the next superstar in the NHL by almost everyone. He was rushed and could've used a few years playing in the AHL against men before taking the jump to the NHL.
 

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If he does score 60 points, at the pace he's currently going, about 52 of those points would be at even strength.

52 even strength points last year would have placed you in the top 30 in scoring.

There are certainly arguments against him, but if we're going to use production to say he's a bust, we have to ask ourselves what we realistically expect him to produce in the position he's in.
 

pekka55

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Seems to be going just fine. Over a 50 point pace now with limited power play time.

Only Stutzle has produced more at even strength of the 2020 draft class since entering the league.
If you're happy with that then good for you. Other number 1 overalls score more goals than Laf points, but if that's fine then ok.

I just remember the hype around this guy around the draft. Now he's producing 2nd line numbers.
 

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Has to suck getting the first overall and thinking you just got a game changer and then finding out he's a 40-50 point player.
Has to suck thinking a guy who keeps getting better every year has now magically stopped getting better and wont be better than putting up 1st line ES numbers with no real PP time. Or you’re just trolling very poorly.
 
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