The jury is officially in: Alexis Lafreniere is a complete bust

[Roksta]

I didn’t realize being impressed by a player was a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, but what is there to be impressed about? That he's getting outscored by Daniel Sprong?

 

[TriFF51]

Are we supposed to be impressed now that a highly touted 1st overall pick in his 4th season might score 60 pts?

Not necessarily having to be impressed. More so just the way he has looked regardless of points. Looks like a different player. From being invisible to being all over the place.

 

[Raistlin]

I mean you can argue what you want but your grammatical error is still incorrect. Do Drysdale and Rossi have higher PPG? There are conveniently a couple guys not included in that twelve do to injury and a goalie. It is the most misleading stat I have ever seen posted. You identified Stutzle, Sanderson, Byfield, Perfetti and Raymond. 4 of which are 2 or less points ahead of him and a couple of which are having break out seasons.

Byfield
Stutzle
Raymond
Sanderson
Drysdale
Perfetti
Jarvis
Rookie Rossi equals year 4 Laf in pace, I guess you got me good there.

He is beating Lundell and Holtz,
*Quinn injured, Askarov goalie.


A regular 1OA SHOULD be lapping all his peers after 4 years.


The biggest argument for his underwhelming production in the past was that he was not in the top6? If he wasn't so ineffective, I really expect a guy with his pedigree to displace the four guys ahead of him though.... It's Panarin, Kreider, ......and who else exactly that is so formidable?

Year 1 Disappointed.

Year 2 Bust.

Year 3 Bust hard.

Year 4 ..Decent? Confident? Showing effort?trying hard? All over the place?

You're right that I don't watch him enough.... Kinda glad though, imagine if I have to sit through 230+ games of pain just to get to this incredible point in his stunted development.
12 glorious pts in 19 gms playing with Panarin.


I realize I care, because I HAD him in my pool for 3 years, he hurt me. He did. Don't rangers fans want actual contribution also?

 

[Raistlin]

He's second on the team in EVG and EVP averaging 16:37 of ice time while everyone else is over 19:00. Lol

Just stop, please. You admit you don't watch him enough anyway so why bother?

Bedard already averages more TOI than Lafreniere does. LOL. Look at that roster.

Have you considered that maybe he's just not very good on the PP? He had 300 mins of power play time and collected a total of 8 points. I read a lot of excuses over the years, but the creme should rise to the top after 235 games. As most of the other 12 guys behind him has matured also.

I reiterate, I'm happy that he's finally better this year, I don't hate the Rangers, the only thing I'm pissed about is how he wasted a spot on my fantasy team for so long. I'll stop. I was just replying to the other poster that said I was inaccurate.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Have you considered that maybe he's just not very good on the PP? He had 300 mins of power play time

PP production when a player isn’t on the first unit always needs to be taken with a grain of salt. NYR PP2 typically comes on w ~30 seconds left during a change, and it’s typically a poorly optimized unit as well. There’s no reason to think Laf wouldn’t be a good option on NYR first unit. Hes a great finisher and skilled high IQ player. Unlike their 5v5 situation though, NYR have actually had an excellent power play for years so theyve never really had a reason to switch it up.

 

[Anthony5967]

I don't know how many times people have to say it, but he wasn't put on the top line and PP1 like so many other first overalls were.

You all lack major context and clearly don't watch him enough. It's the laziest piece of shit narrative.

Yea, again, you can't argue with people that watch maybe a period of Rangers hockey a year. Legit Rangers fans see a guy starting to become dangerous on every shift.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The biggest argument for his underwhelming production in the past was that he was not in the top6? If he wasn't so ineffective, I really expect a guy with his pedigree to displace the four guys ahead of him though.... It's Panarin, Kreider, ......and who else exactly that is so formidable?

You’re correct that hes never been blocked from the top 6 by anyone good. That’s why it’s even more egregious that he’s never been given an extended look there. He’s always played well in the top 6 in short stints. There’s nothing you can do when you score 20 even strength goals as a sophomore with that pedigree and the team still plays wastemen in the top 6 over you (Goodrow, Blackwell, Dryden Hunt, Vesey, etc.)

You can’t just say “oh he must not have been good enough since the team didn’t increase his role”, then ignore every extremely shitty guy that has played over him. NYR can’t evaluate talent and it’s why their track record with forward development is so awful

 

[joestevens29]

Have you considered that maybe he's just not very good on the PP? He had 300 mins of power play time and collected a total of 8 points. I read a lot of excuses over the years, but the creme should rise to the top after 235 games. As most of the other 12 guys behind him has matured also.

I reiterate, I'm happy that he's finally better this year, I don't hate the Rangers, the only thing I'm pissed about is how he wasted a spot on my fantasy team for so long. I'll stop. I was just replying to the other poster that said I was inaccurate.

Maybe you are the slow one if you kept someone on your roster that you shouldn’t have

 

[2014nyr]

Byfield
Stutzle
Raymond
Sanderson
Drysdale
Perfetti
Jarvis
Rookie Rossi equals year 4 Laf in pace, I guess you got me good there.

He is beating Lundell and Holtz,
*Quinn injured, Askarov goalie.


A regular 1OA SHOULD be lapping all his peers after 4 years.


The biggest argument for his underwhelming production in the past was that he was not in the top6? If he wasn't so ineffective, I really expect a guy with his pedigree to displace the four guys ahead of him though.... It's Panarin, Kreider, ......and who else exactly that is so formidable?

Year 1 Disappointed.

Year 2 Bust.

Year 3 Bust hard.

Year 4 ..Decent? Confident? Showing effort?trying hard? All over the place?

You're right that I don't watch him enough.... Kinda glad though, imagine if I have to sit through 230+ games of pain just to get to this incredible point in his stunted development.
12 glorious pts in 19 gms playing with Panarin.


I realize I care, because I HAD him in my pool for 3 years, he hurt me. He did. Don't rangers fans want actual contribution also?

i respect how hard you troll because it simply isn't possible for a human to be that stupid.

you can let it go now tho, laf is awesome, i know you know it. anyone who has a functional brain and knows anything about hockey knows it....kinda tough to keep up the charade at that point and be taken seriously.

 

[ORRFForever]

Bedard already averages more TOI than Lafreniere does. That’s f***ing hilarious. It’s also an opportunity that Lafreniere wasn’t given considering the two respective rosters.

The reward for playing on a lousy team.

 

[Raistlin]

Maybe you are the slow one if you kept someone on your roster that you shouldn’t have

Not as slow as rangers management.

i respect how hard you troll because it simply isn't possible for a human to be that stupid.

you can let it go now tho, laf is awesome, i know you know it. anyone who has a functional brain and knows anything about hockey knows it....kinda tough to keep up the charade at that point and be taken seriously.

I'll circle back at the end of the year. Maybe I'll eat crow, maybe I won't.

 

[rangersfansince08]

He looked great today. Set up teammates multiple times with A+ scoring chances and they just couldn't bury them. If he keeps playing like this the points will come in bunches at some point

 

[PainForShane]

Not as slow as rangers management.


I'll circle back at the end of the year. Maybe I'll eat crow, maybe I won't.

Nah man. The point is you have to circle back at the end of his career.

If that ends up being at the end of this year, then you will have been right, because it would mean Laf is out of the league despite still having an NHL contract. That outcome is incredibly unlikely. I think everyone knows his career will last a lot longer than this next offseason, let's say another 10-15 years, something like that. Obviously when that time comes when Laf is out of the league, no one knows how Laf's career will end up, or frankly any other 22 year old player in the league. That's one of a few reasons this conversation is so ridiculously stupid

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The reward for playing on a lousy team.

*the reward for playing on a team that actually gives a shit about playing a 1OA pick over 4th liners

 

[Pablo El Perro]

Can we edit this thread's title. It's embarrassing.

 

[Steve Kournianos]

He’s a top-six wing on the best team in the league and is among the Rangers’ better forwards at 5v5 nearly every game. Just accept it.

 

[Windy River]

Are we supposed to be impressed now that a highly touted 1st overall pick in his 4th season might score 60 pts?

What’s impressive is that he’s maybe gonna break the 40 pt barrier despite the NYR organization inexplicably holding him back throughout the years, consistently saddling him with 3rd liners. Or so I’ve been informed.

 

[Windy River]

Not necessarily having to be impressed. More so just the way he has looked regardless of points. Looks like a different player. From being invisible to being all over the place.

I just don’t see it. Looks like the exact same confused floater as the last 3 years.

 

[Irishguy42]

I just don’t see it. Looks like the exact same confused floater as the last 3 years.

No no, that's Alex Laferriere you're seeing this year. Very different but easy to confuse.

 

[2014nyr]

I just don’t see it. Looks like the exact same confused floater as the last 3 years.

the eyeball test and analytics say demonstrably otherwise, so your tv is probably just frozen....either that or you have no idea what you're watching

 

[GG96]

Have you considered that maybe he's just not very good on the PP? He had 300 mins of power play time and collected a total of 8 points. I read a lot of excuses over the years, but the creme should rise to the top after 235 games. As most of the other 12 guys behind him has matured also.

I reiterate, I'm happy that he's finally better this year, I don't hate the Rangers, the only thing I'm pissed about is how he wasted a spot on my fantasy team for so long. I'll stop. I was just replying to the other poster that said I was inaccurate.

All power play minutes are not the same. The last 35 seconds when the puck is being chased behind the NYR net is a lot different than set up zone time.

 

[PainForShane]

I just don’t see it. Looks like the exact same confused floater as the last 3 years.

You mean the last 3 years when he was playing top six minutes alongside Filip Chytil? smh.

Just stop, man. You have zero credibility since that "Laf has spent 83% of his first three years on 1st/2nd line" nonsense you insisted on a few pages ago. Everything you're saying is making it worse

 

[EdJovanovski]

Glad he’s looking better, though I do wish I saw fans from other teams coming in and saying how he looks great. It’s just Ranger fans lol

 

[PainForShane]

Glad he’s looking better, though I do wish I saw fans from other teams coming in and saying how he looks great. It’s just Ranger fans lol

Not just Ranger fans. I'm a Zona fan, Panarin is on my fantasy team so I'll watch a random period here and there. His improvement is impossible to not notice for any functional human with two eyes and a brain

 

[TGWL]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 guys drafted after him that is healthy with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

If your definition of 1st overall = elite, playmaking, scoring, franchise, build-a-bear workshop around, then sure. 150 players drafted after and putting up similar numbers doesn't make any player a bust.