The jury is officially in: Alexis Lafreniere is a complete bust

[Windy River]

Screenshots are even better, and also less time consuming to make.

His first three years in the league (which is what you meant to say above, not last three):

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Like you said, he played 263:55 with Panarin compared to 2191:13 without (at 5v5).

This year glued to the hip to Panarin (which btw no one is disputing):

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@Windy River

Ok- so I see here Laf as a left winger has played 1301 with Chytil who is 2nd line C, 637 with Zib as a 1st liner, and 395 with Goodrow in the bottom 6. So he has had 1938/2333, or 83% of his time on 1st/2nd line.

Clearly the guy is and has been getting vast majority 1st/2nd line minutes.

Alexis Lafrenière - Teammates - On Ice - Natural Stat Trick

Last 3 seasons of 5v5 time on ice with:

Chytil - 1,301
Kakko - 914
Zib - 637
Goodrow - 395
Kreider - 327
Gauthier - 269
Panarin - 263

83% of time on 1st/2nd line.

 

[Sdevils42]

Less than 20 games into the szn and we're declaring him vindicated. Let's pump the brakes a bit here. But surprised how well he's been playing.

 

[Rythashocka]

Ok- so I see here Laf as a left winger has played 1301 with Chytil who is 2nd line C, 637 with Zib as a 1st liner, and 395 with Goodrow in the bottom 6. So he has had 1938/2333, or 83% of his time on 1st/2nd line.

Clearly the guy is and has been getting vast majority 1st/2nd line minutes.


83% of time on 1st/2nd line.

Trochek was the second line c last year. Filip was third.

 

[PainForShane]

Ok- so I see here Laf as a left winger has played 1301 with Chytil who is 2nd line C, 637 with Zib as a 1st liner, and 395 with Goodrow in the bottom 6. So he has had 1938/2333, or 83% of his time on 1st/2nd line.

Clearly the guy is and has been getting vast majority 1st/2nd line minutes.


83% of time on 1st/2nd line.

Too bad Chytil's been their 3rd line C for all of those years. First few years behind Zib and Strome, last couple behind Zib and Trocheck. Everyone knows this, including me (a Zona fan who is completely neutral toward NYR) as well as every single person besides you who is reading this thread. Thx

 

[NickyFotiu]

The shootout backhander tonight was looking Crosby-esque

Looked like Reijo Ruotsalainen!

 

[Crosby2010]

I have defended him before using a guy like Joe Thornton as an example as someone who took longer to break out than we would have thought. Year 4 could be it for him. The Rangers are always so stacked on offense. We'll see how it goes all season for him.

 

[Dominance]

Dude would be P/GP+ with PP1 minutes, no doubt.

 

[Kupo]

Ok- so I see here Laf as a left winger has played 1301 with Chytil who is 2nd line C, 637 with Zib as a 1st liner, and 395 with Goodrow in the bottom 6. So he has had 1938/2333, or 83% of his time on 1st/2nd line.

Clearly the guy is and has been getting vast majority 1st/2nd line minutes.


83% of time on 1st/2nd line.

Some real cringeworthy shit right here.

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I've only caught two Rags games, but he's looked good, particularly when playing with Trocheck. I believe that would be the 2nd line.

 

[Raistlin]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 guys drafted after him that is healthy with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 healthy guys drafted after him with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

“Look at me, i dont watch him play at all”


Another big game for Laf with the only goal in the 1-0 win tonight! He was flying out there.

 

[phillyb]

“Look at me, i dont watch him play at all”


Another big game for Laf with the only goal in the 1-0 win tonight! He was flying out there.

Seconded. Great game for the kid.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 healthy guys drafted after him with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

I get what you're saying, but he's been a lot better than his points indicate.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 healthy guys drafted after him with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

How many get PP1 time?

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Best part of Laf is he could’ve scored 2 more times tonight, and could’ve had many more points during the season… He’s going to have a stretch of going over a PPG. It wouldn’t surprise me if he score 70 points being that he’s on a line with Panarin… he’ll get his assist numbers up for sure. Just glad he scoring and looks confident

 

[Rsswmu]

I guess this thread gets bumped everytime he collects a point. 16 games 11 pts +0

while Im not sure a 55 pt pace is not a bust for a 1OA after 4 years. It bears noting that the next 12 healthy guys drafted after him with the exception of Holtz is enjoying a better pace than his this year.

* Lundell has a slightly lower pace, but he's a defensive center.

I mean this is straight up just incorrect. Please list those 12 players that are healthy that were drafted right after him that have a higher ppg/avg. Because it is a lot less than that and if we count only 5 on 5 points its only 3 guys. He also has the most goals and if we go goals plus primary assists he is 2nd.

 

[ORRFForever]

How many get PP1 time?

LAF has ZERO right?

 

[Raistlin]

I mean this is straight up just incorrect. Please list those 12 players that are healthy that were drafted right after him that have a higher ppg/avg. Because it is a lot less than that and if we count only 5 on 5 points its only 3 guys.

Made a grammatical error, the healthy ones of the next 12 guys drafted, up to Holloway. Not counting injured.

I'm glad he is stringing a few good games together. But I heard the same argument about Kakko over the years also. You draft a guy 1OA to produce, in year 1 ideally, in year 2 if he's very good. In year 4, he should dominate. Not needing a bunch of die hard ranger fans to seek out a silver lining and project a bright future.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

LAF has ZERO right?

I think he has like 2 PP points this season or something like that. He doesn't get any PP1 time though.

 

[ORRFForever]

“Look at me, i dont watch him play at all”


Another big game for Laf with the only goal in the 1-0 win tonight! He was flying out there.

Made a grammatical error, the healthy ones of the next 12 guys drafted, up to Holloway. Not counting injured.

I'm glad he is stringing a few good games together. But I heard the same argument about Kakko over the years also. You draft a guy 1OA to produce, in year 1 ideally, in year 2 if he's very good. In year 4, he should dominate. Not needing a bunch of die hard ranger fans to seek out a silver lining and project a bright future.

If you're sure he sucks, why do you care?

 

[Rsswmu]

Made a grammatical error, the healthy ones of the next 12 guys drafted, up to Holloway. Not counting injured.

I'm glad he is stringing a few good games together. But I heard the same argument about Kakko over the years also. You draft a guy 1OA to produce, in year 1 ideally, in year 2 if he's very good. In year 4, he should dominate. Not needing a bunch of die hard ranger fans to seek out a silver lining and project a bright future.

I mean you can argue what you want but your grammatical error is still incorrect. Do Drysdale and Rossi have higher PPG? There are conveniently a couple guys not included in that twelve do to injury and a goalie. It is the most misleading stat I have ever seen posted. You identified Stutzle, Sanderson, Byfield, Perfetti and Raymond. 4 of which are 2 or less points ahead of him and a couple of which are having break out seasons.

 

[2014nyr]

Made a grammatical error, the healthy ones of the next 12 guys drafted, up to Holloway. Not counting injured.

I'm glad he is stringing a few good games together. But I heard the same argument about Kakko over the years also. You draft a guy 1OA to produce, in year 1 ideally, in year 2 if he's very good. In year 4, he should dominate. Not needing a bunch of die hard ranger fans to seek out a silver lining and project a bright future.

not many 1oa go to a team with a panarin/kreider ahead of them and trying to win now, apples and oranges comparing him to your typical 1oa going to a team who finished bottom 3 and more often than not has been a bottom dweller for a few years with a depth chart featuring a near total absence of talent. it's also a little harder to rack up points when you're not on pp1 where pp1 typically takes 1:30+ if they don't score. so yea trying to measure his production against other top picks is basically meaningless.

i've said it since day one with this kid. if you know, you know. if you don't, you either don't watch - which obviously most non ranger fans don't too often so that's understandable - you do watch but just don't know hockey, or you do watch enough and know hockey but are living in denial.

 

[Raistlin]

If you're sure he sucks, why do you care?

You have a point. I said what I came to say, I think he's a bust not just because of an underwhelming future for a 1OA I project going forward, but more so for the icetime and opportunity he squandered the last few years taking up a spot on a good team that could've went to a better player. I hope he hits his adjusted ceiling going forward, that he is worth the amount of effort you took over the years to defend him.

 

[ORRFForever]

You have a point. I said what I came to say, I think he's a bust not just because of an underwhelming future for a 1OA I project going forward, but more so for the icetime and opportunity he squandered the last few years taking up a spot on a good team that could've went to a better player. I hope he hits his adjusted ceiling going forward, that he is worth the amount of effort you took over the years to defend him.

Cool. Me, too.

Take care.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You have a point. I said what I came to say, I think he's a bust not just because of an underwhelming future for a 1OA I project going forward, but more so for the icetime and opportunity he squandered the last few years taking up a spot on a good team that could've went to a better player. I hope he hits his adjusted ceiling going forward, that he is worth the amount of effort you took over the years to defend him.

What? So you believe he's been taking up a big role on the Rangers the last few years?

You seem ignorant about Lafreniere's career so far. He's been mostly 3rd line and PP2 (that would get like 30 seconds per PP).

What player is producing better in that role than he did?