Dude i love the leafs too, but kuch just put up like a 144pt season.At this point in their careers it is not even close between Kucherov and Matthews. That is just one name.
Dude i love the leafs too, but kuch just put up like a 144pt season.At this point in their careers it is not even close between Kucherov and Matthews. That is just one name.
Helleybuck has 3 bad playoffs with .904, .886 and .864Hellebuyck has failed to put up .900 in the playoffs twice in 6 playoff runs. He's a career .911 playoff goalie, even after two disastrous playoffs in a row.
You're also talking up Matthews, primarily a goalscorer, who has scored 23 goals in 55 playoff games.
Have to be consistent.
Was there a sale at the liquor store?Helleybuck has 3 bad playoffs with .904, .886 and .864
Career .910 goalie vs .917 for career
Matthews doesnt break the top 3 due to being a bad playoff performer for his level of player.
Hellybuck plays the less valuable position than Matthews and has lower competition for top goalies vs top centres in the league.
He may be fringe top 15, in the 13-18 range but Demko has no shot as top 30 player let alone top 15. Hes way to unproven
Goalie is probably the weakest or 2nd weakest position in the NHL now along with LWWas there a sale at the liquor store?
A two time Vezina winner “plays the less valuable position”? lol
Yes, but in a thread where players evaluations are being determined by playoff scoring, a player who has scored 77 points in the playoffs in their entire career is obviously superior to one who has only scored 45.I mean yeah, on a list of top current NHL players a guy in the league is going to be higher than a retired player. Good point.
If you're bemoaning the lack of star goalies today, I agree the overall level of goaltending is low. However, if you're saying goalies are historically less important, I disagree. It's true we usually rank skaters over goalies, but that's bias over actual impact. The eye loves centers because they're in motion and generate chances, versus a goalie who remains static and only reacts. The camera follows the skaters, so we remember them more.Goalie is probably the weakest or 2nd weakest position in the NHL now along with LW
The best players now, and in history are centers (Gretzky, Lemieux, Mcdavid, Crosby as Cs in top 8 all time) with only 1 goalie being that level in hasek
Helleybuck if he had been this level 2000s to 2015 period would be another story
Now thete are maybe 4-5 star goalies in the league who are consistently able to be a vezina candidate
he ignores the whole ice in the playoffs.Yeah just like Matthews in the playoffs
Roy, Dryden and Price exist.Goalie is probably the weakest or 2nd weakest position in the NHL now along with LW
The best players now, and in history are centers (Gretzky, Lemieux, Mcdavid, Crosby as Cs in top 8 all time) with only 1 goalie being that level in hasek
Helleybuck if he had been this level 2000s to 2015 period would be another story
Now thete are maybe 4-5 star goalies in the league who are consistently able to be a vezina candidate
He put up 140 points literally last year.At this point in their careers it is not even close between Kucherov and Matthews. That is just one name.
@HockeyVirus is consistent at least. Every single thread.He put up 140 points literally last year.
You're absolutely embarrassing yourself at thus point
You’re selling Matthews a little short. He’s a really good player and deserves to be in that group.At this point in their careers it is not even close between Kucherov and Matthews. That is just one name.
Goalie is probably the weakest or 2nd weakest position in the NHL now along with LW
The best players now, and in history are centers (Gretzky, Lemieux, Mcdavid, Crosby as Cs in top 8 all time) with only 1 goalie being that level in hasek
Helleybuck if he had been this level 2000s to 2015 period would be another story
Now thete are maybe 4-5 star goalies in the league who are consistently able to be a vezina candidate
Roy is top 20 but a lof C, D, W are higher ranked then himRoy, Dryden and Price exist.
Goaltending not being as important as a center is not the same as goal tending being not importantCan you tell your fellow leafs fans that goaltending isn’t important? It’s all they mention when it comes to the leafs failure in the playoffs.
Dryden didnt play enough and retired very early
BEtTer ThaN Ov!I meant that he didn't play half the games dude. And was pulled by the doctors mid game in another one. Still had the primary assist on the only goal they scored in game 7 too playing injured
He is a hhof and top 10 goalie ever but hes not top 10-15 player all time. No one ranks him ahead of Hasek, Roy, & Brodeur for goalies all time si hes at best 4th thereAre you serious?
Ken Dryden played eight seasons and won six Stanley Cups. He won five Vezina's. The guy won the Conn Smythe trophy *before* he won the Calder.
The man is a legend. You can't seriously not have him on the list.
I don’t think anyone puts Dryden in a top 20 all time list of players.Are you serious?
Ken Dryden played eight seasons and won six Stanley Cups. He won five Vezina's. The guy won the Conn Smythe trophy *before* he won the Calder.
The man is a legend. You can't seriously not have him on the list.
Disagree. I am not sure I would trade any of the 6 above him 1 for 1. It is not Leaf's hate.Matthews scores the most goals in 30+ years while being a Selke finalist and is 7th? More click bait hot take crap meant to get people talking