Post-Game Talk: The Hangover was actually a funny movie. This … is very unfunny.

[Canovin]

Outside of Broberg, the speedy guys are in a slump as well.

Mcleod 1 in 4 games
Holloway 1 in 3 games
Foegele 0 in 3 games

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Outside of Broberg, the speedy guys are in a slump as well.

Mcleod 1 in 4 games
Holloway 1 in 3 games
Foegele 0 in 3 games

But but but but...Dat speed though.

 

[Zerotonine]

Avalanche have also started the season 0-3. Funny we don't see or hear anything about that

Sky is not falling just yet people. Relax give it some time.

Flames are 3-0. They will be a lottery team by the end of the year.

 

[Forgot About Drai]

Outside of Broberg, the speedy guys are in a slump as well.

Mcleod 1 in 4 games
Holloway 1 in 3 games
Foegele 0 in 3 games

Its not all about points, its about creating a balanced and cohesive line-up thorughout the team.

Eye-test easily says we are really missing all three of those guys speed and def missing Holloway and Foegele's tenacity on the forecheck. Lot of redudant slow players throughout the line up right now.

 

[MessierII]

Thanks for the response.
Yah that's more what I was wondering. Given his draft status and just the fact I haven't paid close enough attention I wondered if he kinda became more of a glue guy who filled in defensively for his more offense first line mates or what.

When he came in was he lacking the D part of his game and just over coached to over emphasize it now?

Nuge just isn’t a huge force offensively 5 on 5. He never really has been. He makes up for it by being good defensively and elite on both special teams.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Avalanche have also started the season 0-3. Funny we don't see or hear anything about that

Sky is not falling outsole. Relax give it some time.

Flames are 3-0. They will be a lottery team by the end of the year.

I believe everything will be just fine too and agree with everything you said.
the only difference between us and Colorado is that Colorado wasn't picked by everyone to win the cup

 

[Zerotonine]

I believe everything will be just fine too and agree with everything you said.
the only difference between us and Colorado is that Colorado wasn't picked by everyone to win the cup

No, but should still be a top 10 team in the league. Just like us goaltending is and will be there Achilles

 

[MessierII]

No, but should still be a top 10 team in the league. Just like us goaltending is and will be there Achilles

We have 3 goals in 3 games man. A lot more wrong here than goaltending currently.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

No, but should still be a top 10 team in the league. Just like us goaltending is and will be there Achilles

I don't think goaltending is our problem, right now, our defense is lost, resulting in a lot of good chances against. We are also in some sort of weird funk where we cant seem to score. Im not too worried about our scoring, we have enough talent to overcome that but the defense does concern me a little. again, its early though. theres a good chance that in a month this will all be just a blip on the radar.

 

[OfCorsiDid]

Nurse makes almost as much as Hyman and RNH combined

Ok.

But we all know he sucks. We all also know that he’s not going anywhere because nobody wants a terrible player making 9.25 million for the next half a decade on their team.

Hence why bitching about him is folly.

 

[Canovin]

Ok.

But we all know he sucks. We all also know that he’s not going anywhere because nobody wants a terrible player making 9.25 million for the next half a decade on their team.

Hence why bitching about him is folly.

Nurse, RNH and Hyman all have NMC. We can complain about them all day when they suck

 

[K1984]

No, but should still be a top 10 team in the league. Just like us goaltending is and will be there Achilles

They don't have much of a team after their #1 line anymore.

Their bottom 9 is:

Wood - Mittelstadt - Ritchie
Kovalenko - Kelly - O'Connor
Ivan - Wagner - Kiviranta

Their D stinks too, after the top pair its

Girard - Manson
Ludvig - Malinski

Their team reminds me quite a bit of the 2017-19 Oilers where we had McDavid and Draisaitl and literally nobody else. They aren't very good. They have some injury woes at the moment, but I don't think it really changes their outlook a lot.

 

[MessierII]

They don't have much of a team after their #1 line anymore.

Their bottom 9 is:

Wood - Mittelstadt - Ritchie
Kovalenko - Kelly - O'Connor
Ivan - Wagner - Kiviranta

Their D stinks too, after the top pair its

Girard - Manson
Ludvig - Malinski

Their team reminds me quite a bit of the 2017-19 Oilers where we had McDavid and Draisaitl and literally nobody else. They aren't very good. They have some injury woes at the moment, but I don't think it really changes their outlook a lot.

To be fair they have a lot of big guys out.

Lehkonen, Toews, Drouin, Nichushkin with his coke thing, Landeskog in limbo.

 

[K1984]

To be fair they have a lot of big guys out.

Lehkonen, Toews, Drouin, Nichushkin with his coke thing, Landeskog in limbo.

I don't really consider Landeskog and Nichushkin part of the equation there anymore.

Drouin, Toews and Lehkonen are players for sure, but they're still kind of a 1.5 line and 1.5 D pair team even with those guys playing.

 

[MessierII]

I don't really consider Landeskog and Nichushkin part of the equation there anymore.

Drouin, Toews and Lehkonen are players for sure, but they're still kind of a 1.5 line and 1.5 D pair team even with those guys playing.

Yeah they’ve been that way for a couple years though and still got results in the reg season. Probably a lot of mental stuff going on like our team.

 

[Zerotonine]

I don't think goaltending is our problem, right now, our defense is lost, resulting in a lot of good chances against. We are also in some sort of weird funk where we cant seem to score. Im not too worried about our scoring, we have enough talent to overcome that but the defense does concern me a little. again, its early though. theres a good chance that in a month this will all be just a blip on the radar.

Skinner has a gaa of 5.39 and save percentage of .805 while Picard is sporting a 4.19 gaa and .778 save percentage and you don't think goaltending is an issue???

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Skinner has a gaa of 5.39 and save percentage of .805 while Picard is sporting a 4.19 gaa and .778 save percentage and you don't think goaltending is an issue???

Look at the chances against. GAA and save percentage don’t always tell the whole story.
If opponents are allowed to do whatever they want in the offensive zone, the best goalies will have poor numbers

 

[guymez]

Outside of Broberg, the speedy guys are in a slump as well.

Mcleod 1 in 4 games
Holloway 1 in 3 games
Foegele 0 in 3 games

McLeod and Foegele (and Holloway) arent offensive players.
Their utility (looking more at McLeod and Foegele here) primarily lies in their ability to defend especially on the PK. Speed really helps that ability.

So I think that this team does (now) have a deficit of speed and solid PK players.

 

[Zerotonine]

Look at the chances against. GAA and save percentage don’t always tell the whole story.
If opponents are allowed to do whatever they want in the offensive zone, the best goalies will have poor numbers

Another year of defending goaltending i see when it's well know it's been are Achilles for what 10 years ?

Skinner is very capable of being a #1 goalie when he is on he oa fantastic. But when he is off he is brutal. There is no consistency and no in between he is one or the other. To me that shows a goaltendimg coach issue which we have all known to be an issue for the last decade as well. Until Schwartz is gone expect no change in goaltending

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Another year of defending goaltending i see when it's well know it's been are Achilles for what 10 years ?

Skinner is very capable of being a #1 goalie when he is on he oa fantastic. But when he is off he is brutal. There is no consistency and no in between he is one or the other. To me that shows a goaltendimg coach issue which we have all known to be an issue for the last decade as well. Until Schwartz is gone expect no change in goaltending

I could just as easily (and probably more accurately) say that the teams approach to defense has been the Achilles heel for 10 PLUS years.
Does this roster win the cup with Adin Hill and Laurent Brossoit in goal? I doubt it. But Vegas did

 

[guymez]

Look at the chances against. GAA and save percentage don’t always tell the whole story.
If opponents are allowed to do whatever they want in the offensive zone, the best goalies will have poor numbers

I agree.
Goaltending has to be better BUT its not a primary issue right now.

That said the one potential issue with this teams goaltending is that its average. A team can win with average goaltending but average goaltending rarely covers for other deficits. So when the defence falls off as badly as is has with this team (and that seems to happen quite a bit) then the goaltending cant compensate enough to cover for it. So not having a top 10 goalie makes a bigger difference for a team that tries to outscore its mistakes. Thats what this team does from time to time.
Teams that dont have the offensive talent this team does dont fall into that trap. They know that not playing solid defence usually means that they will lose.
This team routinely falls into the trap because they can (some of the time) outscore their defensive sloppiness.
The D zone coverage has been brutal the first 3 games and that absolutely has to be cleaned up.
Having a less than average defence is going to make that a bigger challenge than it should be.

 

[oobga]

9.25M

https://x.com/i/web/status/1845645399073477087

 

[guymez]

I could just as easily (and probably more accurately) say that the teams approach to defense has been the Achilles heel for 10 PLUS years.
Does this roster win the cup with Adin Hill and Laurent Brossoit in goal? I doubt it. But Vegas did

Vegas is a good example of how to win with average goaltending.

That was hard to post because I cant stand Vegas.
I feel like I need a shower now.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Nuge just isn’t a huge force offensively 5 on 5. He never really has been. He makes up for it by being good defensively and elite on both special teams.

Thanks for that. I had no idea he was so reliable defensively.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Vegas is a good example of how to win with average goaltending.

That was hard to post because I cant stand Vegas.

ha ha yeah, I hear you
but the fact remains that they have had a solid defensive system from day one and its served them well.
We honestly haven't been so committed.