The Great Dale Weise Debate (& other ex-Hawks) volume 3
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I don't think they utterly failed to diagnose him. The average time to diagnose MS from first symptom to diagnosis is about two years, and that's taking into account the person coming forward with abnormal symptoms immediately. There's no one, single test for it, it's a process of testing for 1,000 other things first and having to rule those out and THEN zeroing in on it being MS. Said tests involved multiple specialists, many of whom were referred by the Blackhawks medical staff but were outside of the organization. If Bickell had remained a Blackhawk they would've very likely come to the same conclusion Carolina did, he just wasn't here anymore for them to continue evaluating and Carolina had all of his medical records of everything already done while in Chicago to continue with his treatment and evaluation from where they left off.
Not that it's the be all end all, but I haven't heard anyone, anywhere, at any point say the Blackhawks mishandled his situation.
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Rolo
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Panarin has been very impressive this season.
Only 6 less pts then Patrick Kane (52pts), but most of the year he has played with:
19 year Pierre Luc Dubois
Josh Anderson or struggling Cam Atkinson
2nd highest point total on Columbus (forwards) is Bjorkstrand with 32pts...
Only 6 less pts then Patrick Kane (52pts), but most of the year he has played with:
19 year Pierre Luc Dubois
Josh Anderson or struggling Cam Atkinson
2nd highest point total on Columbus (forwards) is Bjorkstrand with 32pts...
Toews2Bickell
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Panarin's an extremely talented hockey player. No surprise Kane's best years were playing with him. Sort of unfortunate that it's looking like they'd have the cap to keep him as it's rumored to be 80+ mil by the time he hits UFA status, which would have been a modest pay raise from his 6m aav if he's in line for 8-9m. I still understand the thought process with the trade, but if Saad doesn't have a bounce back year it's looking like a disaster move.
AmericanDream
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this was one of the oddest deals I have seen in a while. I still do not get why the Wild moved him since he still has 1 year left on his ELC. there is still a future for Reilly, he has a lot of names to compete with in Minny, but you would think they would have gotten as much as we did for Kempny...I still don't understand that at all for a young defensemen like him.
Blackhawkswincup
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Teravainen with another goal
18 goals + 33 assists for 51 pts in 65 games
Not even 24 yrs old and just scratching surface of his potential
18 goals + 33 assists for 51 pts in 65 games
Not even 24 yrs old and just scratching surface of his potential
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He's actually still only 23. Not 24 till September.
It's easy, well for me at least, to forget how young he still is.... But man, I will never forget how much let me down the season following the playoffs he played exceptional in. I'll always have a rotten taste left in my mouth from that. I thought he had finally broken out in the playoffs.
He was still what, 20 years old at that point? Looked great on the ice, and had 10 points in the Cup finals vs Tampa with 4 goals.
this drives me crazy and my emotional side takes over. that is when i start ranting on the reasons why SB should be fired and i can justify that with the mention of TT success, S. Johns - D-man, the wasted 3 yrs of mismanagement decisions. agh .......
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I have said this a million times, TT, Panarin and Danault were the breaking back moves of the offense, those guys should have been Part of the core, Stan is a complete moron, it’s mindblowing how some people still stick up for him with a long list of pathetic moves that have gotten this team playing like the worst team in the NHL right now, but hey let’s blame it all on Q!
the 3 and i will just deal with 3 things that SB did to screw the Bhawks ........ for a great run. Bickell contract, Seabs contract, Bickell trade.
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Let me clarify by saying not necessarily the “moves” but those players should not have left the Hawks for a long time. He has a long list of pathetic signings and moves that I can add but yes the signing of Seabrook is a huge one and even Toews and Kane would not have gotten what they have gotten with a smart GM, he just doesn’t know how to negotiate, just look at all the NMC, it’s like giving out candy... Here comes the delusional crowd that is gonna say Toews and Kane would have gotten 13 Million lol
those 3 moves i mention were the start of a list of screw up he did. even if those who will argue against my pov, can not argue the fact of those 3 moves that began the start of the downfall of this team. hell i rant on the positiveness of SB scouting and drafting, but none of them have a uninterrupted effect of a domino negative whirl-wind that resulted from those 3 moves.
Blackhawkswincup
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Holy #### I did not realize just how bad the ex-Hawks on Isles are performing
Leddy has 9 goals and 28 assists but is team worse -34 (Anders Lee at -14 is 2nd worst)
And Andrew Ladd has just 9 goals and 13 assists for 22 pts in 57 games
Leddy has 9 goals and 28 assists but is team worse -34 (Anders Lee at -14 is 2nd worst)
And Andrew Ladd has just 9 goals and 13 assists for 22 pts in 57 games
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Pssst.... here's a secret.
He isn't and never was a 'soft perimeter player'. He's a player with elite vision, that could find and create space for himself with the stick of surgeon and raw hockey IQ.
He was just always really, really good. One of the best I've seen in a looooooooong time to carve up neutral zone coverage with passes, and then he could turn around and be great defensively too. He was and is a living cheat code in the modern NHL.
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Living cheat code? Hyperbole much? Maybe if he was putting up 90-100 points per season you could say that. Kane is much closer to a living cheat code than TT will ever be. He's having a very quiet/arguably bad year, and will still put up roughly 70-75 points, and likely has as many points right now, as TT will finish the season with.
i am not talking about bickell sickness, i am talking about the waste of cap space that went with his contract. the necessity to need to trade him and failed. i am also talking about eventually trading him and the players who went with that trade to sweeten the deal, i am talking about other moves that was needed to accommodate that trade. last S Johns with the same of sweetening the deal. looking back anyone can see and gauge whether a trade was a plus or minus effect for a team. i am talking at the time.
you say move on and yet you and other posters don't move on and pick and choose which argument to fight.
ChiHawks10
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What are you talking about?
Bickell's contract wouldn't have been a waste of cap space if he hadn't gotten sick... You can't separate him from his illness, as it was a direct cause for his contract being bad. His contract at 4m was overpaid by about 1m, depending on his production. Remember Bickell was coming off a dominant playoff performance when he got that contract, and that was what the Hawks expected him to do moving forward. TT would not have been required to sweeten any deal. His contract would have been plenty movable. It's nonsense.
And again, with Johns, who cares? He's a 3rd pairing D, and the Hawks probably have 8 of those between Rockford and Chicago right now.
And what do I and other posters not move on from, and pick and choose which argument to fight? I'm curious. Find something that I won't, or haven't moved on from.
ref Johns, as you said, right now, i am talking about several yrs ago when it mattered.
bickell only performed during 1 playoff and was successful. during the previous season campaign he was nothing, after he got his contract he still performed like nothing. it was several yrs later he was diagnose in having MS. to get rid of his contract, the team gave away a decent prospect .....
his illness really affected bickell when ..... this is a main point of contention. also his salary was an over payment. i was bitching about that over payment when it happen. just like M. Kruger, just like Seabs.
ChiHawks10
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Johns didn't matter several years ago either. Not at all, honestly.
And.. no, you're wrong about Bickell.
2010-2011 - 37 points, 17 goals 20 assists
2011-2012 - 24 points, 9 goals, 15 assists - Missing 11 games to injury, and I believe playing injured for a chunk of the season.
2012-2013 - 23 points in 48 games - He was on pace to finish with 40+ points(lockout shortened season), and he had a dominant playoffs where he had 9 goals and 8 assists for 17 points.
2013-2014 - 15 points, 11 goals, 4 assists - He only played 59 games. He had knee injuries all season, and missed a ton of games due to them.
2014-2015 - 28 points, 14 goals, 14 assists - He played ok, but you could tell something was wrong with him already, or his injured knees from the year prior were still an issue. He wore knee braces every time he was on the ice.
2015-2016 - played 25 games for the Hawks. Was very obvious something was wrong with him. He would be diagnosed with MS less than 6 months after the end of the 2015-2016 season.
So no, you're wrong about Bickell. He was a solid player, and if he hadn't fallen off a cliff due to his MS(diagnosed in November of 2016), but likely affecting him for at least one season, but probably the two prior, his contract is slightly overpaid, but still movable, and it doesn't cost TT.
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