The Great Dale Weise Debate (& other ex-Hawks) volume 3

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I loved Frolik. Was upset when they kept Bickell over him.

 

[ClydeLee]

Justin Holl played his first NHL game in Toronto and scored a goal. I really recall Dangle hyped up when he was having a strong ahl season 2 years ago but injury call up finally got him a game

 

[Putt Pirate]

Good for him though.

 

[Teemu]

Good for Holl. That was a loooooong road

 

[x Tame Impala]

Byfuglien had effort issues and wouldn't have lived up to his bloated cap hit here. I'm very glad he was traded

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Was looking around league at some former Hawks and man has Troy Brouwer really fallen off in Calgary

I mean he was always what he was which was nothing special but capable 3rd liner who could step into top 6 if needed but prone to extreme hot/cold streaks. But man does he absolutely suck now

2016-17 = 13 goals + 12 assists for 25 pts and a -11 in 74 games
This season = 3 goals + 12 assists for 15 pts and a -3 in 50 games

Has a terrible contract as well with a 4.5M cap hit for next 2 seasons

 

[JaegerDice]

I loved Frolik. Was upset when they kept Bickell over him.

They could have kept both, at least for a few years. Frolik's first post-cup contract was something like 2.2-2.5 million. Between not paying Khabibulin 1.7 million (!) for a back-up role he was either too drunk or too old (or both) to adequately fill, plus trading for Versteeg (2.2 million including 50% retained) still fresh off knee-surgery and pretty bad for the full year, they could have fit him into that 3.9mil void for a year or two.

To be honest though, the real hero on that Flames line is Backlund. Both Frolik and Tkachuk are solid players, but Backlund is the real engine of that line and he honestly deserves some Selke consideration (though he would never win it, because like the Norris, the Selke is won and lost based on name).

And he's probably getting paid this season.

 

[clydesdale line]

Probably still miss him more than any other former Blackhawk.

Teravainen for me and this is coming from someone who considers Big Buff his favorite ex Hawk.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Panarin for me.

 

[x Tame Impala]

It was Ladd, until that 2016 TDL came around...yeesh

Wait, does Hossa count now???

 

[Putt Pirate]

Holl with another goal tonight.

 

[AmericanDream]

another one for Holl....2 goals in 2 games..

 

[Blackhawks]

Panarin, TT and Danault were all big blows and the reason as to why the Hawks are no longer the mighty right now

 

[BobbyJet]

TT is putting up decent numbers in Carolina but his game hasn't changed much since he left Chicago. He's still shys away from contact and plays soft .... he would not play top 6 in Chicago.

Panarin needs to show he can perform at crunch time before I say we miss him. Saad has been a big disappointment so far but I still think he will be a much bigger presence in playoff hockey (unfortunately we may not find out this season).

Danault: I agree. One of Stan's blunders for certain and some of us said that the moment he was traded away.

Conclusion: the addition of the above 3 players would not make Hawks much better and if it did it would be in the RS and marginal. TT and Panarin would still need to prove that they can be effective in playoff action.

 

[Blackhawks]

TT is putting up decent numbers in Carolina but his game hasn't changed much since he left Chicago. He's still shys away from contact and plays soft .... he would not play top 6 in Chicago.

Panarin needs to show he can perform at crunch time before I say we miss him. Saad has been a big disappointment so far but I still think he will be a much bigger presence in playoff hockey (unfortunately we may not find out this season).

Danault: I agree. One of Stan's blunders for certain and some of us said that the moment he was traded away.

Conclusion: the addition of the above 3 players would not make Hawks much better and if it did it would be in the RS and marginal. TT and Panarin would still need to prove that they can be effective in playoff action.

Panarin - No one really performed “crunch time” last year so you can’t measure him by that and he will be a HUGE improvement over Saad right now and I mean night and day and playing with Kane he would be a point per game player easily and have many more goals and a ppg player so that’s an extremely silly argument, he also won the championship in the KHL and he performed well in the playoffs. Not to mention the Hawks would actually have a much bigger change to make the playoffs so regular season is important...

Danault is a huge blunder we agree just like the above

TT has 41 Pts dude I would take him and his softness over 80% of the forwards on this team lol so that’s a huge blunder as well

Conclusion: No matter how much some of you want to make yourself feel better about these horrendous trades the fact still remains they are gone, IMO these 3 guys would have made a world of a difference and this team would be in a playoffs spot right now, how people can’t see that is beyond me...

 

[CallMeShaft]

Panarin was a PPG player in the St. Louis series. He, like everyone else, dissapeared versus Nashville.

I liked the Saad/Panarin trade at the time. Sacrifice a little PP scoring for damn near equal even strength numbers against tougher competition for two more years. It was the right move. I don't know what happened to Saad this season, maybe he's nursing a hand injury, I don't know. But he doesn't have a history of missing the net like he has this year. Chalk it up to crap luck and hope it doesn't happen again.

TT was a painful loss. He had a lot of issues that drove me mad (notably his soft play), but he was still going to be a good second line player. But we needed to get rid of the Bickell contract. Bick's was never going to be easy to trade, but the MS made the price skyrocket into Tuevo. The right move would've been to not sign Bickell that much to begin with or to not re-sign Seabrook, but it is what it is at this point.

Danault trade was pure stupidity. Danault was a decent bottom 6 winger at that point who was cheap, fast, and could become a good middle 6 center. But instead we trade him for waiver wire players. It hurts so much just thinking about this trade. Only thing that makes me a little less mad is knowing that Danault, who comes across as a great guy, is living the dream playing for his hometown team.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Mcneill traded from Stars to Preds

Looks like pure AHL swap of players

 

[BobbyJet]

I have always thought that McNeill could play in this league as a 4th liner.

 

[Teemu]

Panik and Raanta in a car accident. Missed a game but by all other accounts OK

Behind the scenes of Coyotes' Antti Raanta's auto accident

 

[BK]

Panik and Raanta in a car accident. Missed a game but by all other accounts OK

Behind the scenes of Coyotes' Antti Raanta's auto accident

In the meantime, he had called the Coyotes to let them know what had happened. Assistant general manager Chris O’Hearn said the team was on the phone to the league office to see if they could recall Tucson Roadrunners goalie Adin Hill from the American Hockey League. Hill was already at Gila River Arena because the Roadrunners had practiced there on Thursday before heading to Ontario, California for a game against the Reign on Friday.
The league declined the request because it had come after the 5 p.m. Eastern deadline, so Hill was stuck watching Thursday’s game from the press box while Raanta served as the backup to Scott Wedgewood.

Does the NHL want to get sued?

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Remember when Raanta almost killed his unit with a hand grenade? Thinking he might be the issue.

 

[Teemu]

 

[Pez68]

Please, no.

 

[AmericanDream]

and Kruger was just waived....

looks like Teemu beat me to it

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Remember when Raanta almost killed his unit with a hand grenade? Thinking he might be the issue.