The Great Cam Barker Appreciation thread (And former Hawks talk vol 7)
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Apparently Ben Pope hasn't seen either of these guys play. Either that or he has absolutely no clue about the game.
CallMeShaft
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Just pointing out that Pope doesn't seem to understand the difference between Trochecks value to a team and Stromes.
That, and it's just nice to be able to post about Strome in the "former Hawks" thread.
Blackhawkswincup
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Yeah, Trocheck is far better all-around player who has been far more consistent thru his career (Even with the injuries)
His peak upside also is higher than Strome's though may never reach it again after the injury that in many ways derailed his promise as he looked the part of a potential #1C years ago in Florida
His peak upside also is higher than Strome's though may never reach it again after the injury that in many ways derailed his promise as he looked the part of a potential #1C years ago in Florida
RayP
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Chicago hockey reporters are terrible, but even with that said this still comes across as him just trying to stir shit up. How childish and annoying.
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Trocheck had one season over sixty points and it was five years ago. 1C upside? Nah bud.
Blackhawkswincup
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He looked very much the part and on way to being one potentially
He was 24 yrs old allstar when he had that 75 pt year and there were many that thought Panthers had two potential young #1 caliber centers
His career was derailed by this
And subsequent surgery
The fact he has been able to come back from this and still build solid career as a 2nd line C is accomplishment
DisgruntledHawkFan
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Not sure he ever would have been a #1, but injuries have hampered his career. And he's definitely a far superior player to Strome
Blackhawkswincup
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This team is gonna be garbage, we have another horrendous GM. We are gonna be stuck cupless for a few decades if things don’t change drastically…
Imagine comparing Trocheck and Strome. Lmao.
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Ya just like when Stan did well according to most at this point last year and I was laughing at them
Try being factual (a stretch for you but … try) I was never a Bowman fan. Disagreed with the premise on which he was hired/promoted.
So far you’ve offered nothing to justify your position, no actual facts, just a short sighted opinion.
I’ve been watching this game long before you were swimming around in your fathers shorts.
Fans (of the game) get a good laugh from folks like you. You’re self indulgent and pretend your limited knowledge based opinions are facts.
It’s easy to predict teams will falter. It’s guaranteed to happen. All teams at the top will fall. This doesn’t make you smart. Rather the opposite.
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Kaners Bald Spot
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You guys want to have an interesting discussion?
How come all of the public models think Dylan Strome is a really good player and this board and NHL teams think that he sucks?
How come all of the public models think Dylan Strome is a really good player and this board and NHL teams think that he sucks?
Blackhawkswincup
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Because all these "Fancy" stats are almost entirely nonsense and player evaluation still is actually watching games not looking at #'s
People with eyes can see his flaws as clear as day and no "Model" is going to change that
People with eyes can see his flaws as clear as day and no "Model" is going to change that
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CourtneyDagger50
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The majority of people who ONLY use the eye test or advanced stats won't be correct. They go hand in hand to tell the story.
As for Strome - he HAD to play with Kane and Cat here or else he was useless and seemed to just act fed up if he didn't get the minutes he wanted.
That's what his body language said on the ice, at least. So the stats won't tell you that bit.
As for Strome - he HAD to play with Kane and Cat here or else he was useless and seemed to just act fed up if he didn't get the minutes he wanted.
That's what his body language said on the ice, at least. So the stats won't tell you that bit.
Kaners Bald Spot
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A lot of times they contradict each other. Strome is a good example of that.
CourtneyDagger50
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Which is why you need both. Because often, the truth lies in the middle.
Strome has all the tools. He just can't put them together unless he wants to.
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