This is what i see too , i dont understand the excitements regarding this player
Unless there's something i dont know about him.
Speculation: The Goalie Situation
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Unless there's something i dont know about him.
TruePowerSlave
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The argument seems to be that Gibson only has bad numbers because he plays for the Ducks. Despite it being proven time and time again that goalies can put up decent numbers on bad teams.This is what i see too , i dont understand the excitements regarding this player
Unless there's something i dont know about him.
henchman21
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The argument is more that he’s checked out and his flaws are more evident on a team like Anaheim (one that can’t clear the puck and get pinned).
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How would that not be a possibility? If you showed up to training camp every year knowing you're a bottom 5/10 team it'd hard to up for the upcoming season I'd imagine.
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You know what the good thing about Georgiev is? He will not stop a puck, but only costs 3.5M and is gone after this season. Gibson might catch a puck, but in case he doesn't he's on the book for two more years and even 50% retained almost as expensive.
No f***ing thanks.
No f***ing thanks.
henchman21
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With Gibson specifically, there are some intriguing stats. He is typically a guy who deals with higher danger stuff well and low danger stuff is more of his weakness (similar to George actually). When he gives up goals typically is interesting too... the vast majority of them are at least after the first shot on net (not that unusual yet). More than that, still the majority of his goals happen on the 3rd/4th+ shots per entry. What this means is he can typically stop the first shot or two, but as zone time increases, he really starts to struggle. Different theories exist on this (and all probably have some validity). There is the theory that rebound control is something teams can't overcome and it leads to extended zone time, so goalies tend to be more at fault for those. There is the exact opposite theory that if a goalie can stop the puck twice, you should be able to find an exit between 0-2 shots most of the time. So the 3rd/4th/5th are more on the defense that the goalie.
IMO Annunen is not good, but he is perfectly reliable to stop the first shot and probably the 2nd. The Avs have the ability to move the puck and clear rebounds to the extent where they do well with goalies who can simply to that (Frank was also especially good in this area). This is the primary reason I think Annunen helps the team right now. Teams don't know how to attack Annunen yet, and the Avs don't give up a ton of entries that lead to 3-5 shots on net.
Does this work for Gibson here? Who knows... but there is more than face value when it comes to goaltending.
IMO Annunen is not good, but he is perfectly reliable to stop the first shot and probably the 2nd. The Avs have the ability to move the puck and clear rebounds to the extent where they do well with goalies who can simply to that (Frank was also especially good in this area). This is the primary reason I think Annunen helps the team right now. Teams don't know how to attack Annunen yet, and the Avs don't give up a ton of entries that lead to 3-5 shots on net.
Does this work for Gibson here? Who knows... but there is more than face value when it comes to goaltending.
This highlights just how much chaos George causes with his rebound control, or in giving up rebounds at all.
Annunen gives up way less in general and tracks the puck better by a country mile.
It's almost hilarious how bad 5G is at tracking the puck to himself. It would be hyperbole to say every shot surprises him, but damn it's a lot of the time.
I'm literally thinking to myself during the game.. This guys eyesight needs to be checked.
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I can't imagine Anaheim wanting Georgiev, but I guess he is a UFA, and they would only have him for this season. They might even be able to trade him at the deadline to a team looking for goalie depth.
Could you try and make it a big trade where you get both Gibson and Zegras or Fowler?
Could you try and make it a big trade where you get both Gibson and Zegras or Fowler?
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I can’t imagine anyone wanting Georgiev
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Former all-star and starter with decent numbers when he's been right. Won 38 games last year, and 40 the season before that. UFA only making $3.4M. Someone would want that just for depth.
Anaheim could turn him an Gibson into multiple prospects and picks. I could see them taking that approach.
henchman21
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There’s not a GM in the league that doesn’t see through this.
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There were two GMs last year that traded for Ryan Johansen. There were multiple GMs that traded for/signed Jack Campbell. There was a GM that traded for Matt Murray and gave him a big deal. There is one GM that traded away multiple centers and reatined big $ to do so, only to sign older guys to replace them. GMs do dumb shit every year.
henchman21
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Of course they do dumb shit... they usually do it with guys who have shown very well in the past (RyJo and Murray) or are in current great form (Campbell). There are are not many who are in bad form and never shown that well that are desired. George can be moved elsewhere (like RyJo last spring), but he's a guy who has no to negative value.
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If Gibson came at 50% and was free or like a 3rd rounder, I'd be interested.
But paying anything of value to take on this much risk is just foolish IMO. We need certainty if we are spending trading chips of value.
But paying anything of value to take on this much risk is just foolish IMO. We need certainty if we are spending trading chips of value.
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At least Georgie is making a little less than his cap hit this year, making him a bit more appealing towards to poverty teams.
henchman21
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The primary issue is that any of the guys without questions attached likely won't hit the market until Jan or Feb. Teams have to have their hopes slashed prior to that happening. So if you're wanting to 'solve' it today, you're getting a guy like Gibson.
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Avalanche Need to Deal With Georgiev Situation Immediately - The Hockey Writers Avalanche Goaltending Latest News, Analysis & More
Another start, another batch of misery for Alex Georgiev. The Colorado Avalanche must make a decision now or risk the season.
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I like the idea of sending him down and letting Kahkonen be the backup. I'm not 100% sure anyone would claim him at this stage given how damaged he's been this year and a stint in the A could help him get his confidence back
Geez, the title of this thread seems mafia-like.
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To trade him, Avs will have to include a draft pick or something for someone team to take Georgiev. Do we even have a 2nd round pick this year? I’d say just waive him
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All they have to do is to send him down to the AHL. His contract expires at the end of the season and the 2 goalies we have make league minimum.
