If Staal wants to play in Carolina and Carolina only why would they give up anything big for him? Especially since it won't be like a deadline move for a contender. They can wait till he hits free agency.
Speculation: The future of Marc Staal
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if he wants to talk contract to me that means he wants to stay a NYR.
btw J.Staal stinks in Carolina. Eric is still good. the Canes should consider moving them both out IMO. Its not working.
btw J.Staal stinks in Carolina. Eric is still good. the Canes should consider moving them both out IMO. Its not working.
broadwayblue
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Staal doesn't want to go through what his teammates went through this season. Staal needs to be reasonable in his demands too. Don't be Callahan who wanted 8 years and $7.5M per and he refused to budge until the last few months. Then it was really too late. Dreger reported those numbers. Girardi wanted 6 years and $33M in the fall. It took the Rangers 3-4 months to give it to him. The contract structure allows the Rangers to trade Girardi after the third year with most of the money having been paid by the Rangers. $20M of the $33M. The Rangers shouldn't need to have Paul Krepelka and Staal ask to engage them in contract talks. They need to be realistic. Carolina has made the playoffs once since winning the Cup. The Rangers aren't the 1970's Canadians but they should be a competitive team. Staal's cap hit is just below $4M. His salary next season jumps to $5.45M from $3.875M which is his first group III year. Somwehere between $5.5M-6M per for 5-6 years. Takes him to 33-34. Frontload the contract. The Rangers did with Lundqvist and Girardi. Henrik starts out at $11M and his last season is $5.5M. Girardi is at $7M and then $4M.
silverfish
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It's not working because they need to add Marc, and get Jared in the NHL full time so the Staal brothers can fully connect their power-rings, and take the form of elite NHL players.
Read the Canes board about Eric Staal. I can't think of a current Ranger that gets more hate than Staal does on their board. There's a thread by a fan that he's now become a casual fan just because Eric Staal is their captain.
broadwayblue
Registered User
Getting Eric Staal would be a nice addition...unfortunately he would probably cost a ton. And he has a pretty high cap hit at 8.25 for another two years.
I love what I'm reading. Sounds like he wants to secure his future here in NY. He saw how things unfolded with Girardi and Callahan. Callahan would be a Ranger today if he didn't go ape **** over every single penny. Girardi left some money on the table to stay here in NY.
If Staal wants to be a Ranger, he's going to be a Ranger.
If Staal wants to be a Ranger, he's going to be a Ranger.
Nanaki
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If one good thing comes from the whole Callahan debacle, it's that the players are on notice that Sather isn't ****ing around. If Staal wants to stay I highly doubt he is going to let it go as far as Callahan did. If you want to be here and you are in the ballpark with the salary figures then get the deal done. No more holding out for that 250k.
Let Blaine Die
Holden out 4 a hero
Agreed. I'd be willing to give him a little more than Girardi simply because he is better and I think, if he re-signs, he'll become the next captain. Anywhere between 5.5 and 6 mill AAV would be perfect (i.e. 5.7 mill AAV, 6 years, which would be 34.2 mill), with the same NTC/NMC terms that Girardi has. Girardi's contract should absolutely be used as a template for Staal's deal.
The concussions are a huge concern. You know he had one this season already, right?
That's three seasons in a row where he missed time due to concussions, and assorted head injuries. But it isn't a concern?
78 regular season games missed in 2 2/3 seasons...
McSauer
Defense Wins Games
When did he have a concussion last year? Are you referring to when he played in the playoffs for just one game? No concussion was ever documented or even brought up as a possibility...
He had the on by his brother in 2011, none in 2011-12 (although missed time due to PCS), none in 2012-13, and the minor one this year...
Concussion when Eric hit him, concussion when the puck hit him, concussion this year.
He missed 78 games because of concussions and head related injuries.
Ho-hum, poo-poo.
When deciding to pay a guy huge money for the long-term, and possibly slapping a 'C' on his jersey, you better be 100% sure of what you are getting yourself into. Don't do it, and then whine when he's missing more time.
Dan Girardi takes a beating like no other on this roster. And he missed a grand total of 4 games in a seven season span. That's why he was worth the money he got.
If Ryan Callahan was an injury concern because he missed about 38 regular season games in the last five seasons, then Marc is a HUGE risk at 78 in 4.
I'm not going to say it would be easy to replace Staal, but it would be infinitely harder to replace McDonagh and Girardi.
The Rangers didn't have Marc in the lineup for a huge portion of the last 4 seasons. Del Zotto, who got chastised, did a fine job playing in the top four on the left side and the world didn't end.
The Rangers found ample depth on the right side, which is harder to accomplish.
I would trade Staal this summer, get a top-notch, young center, buy-out Richards, and find a cheap-ish left-side option on the market, shorter-term. Sign Skjei to his ELC once his season at Minnesota ends. Allow John Moore and Skjei(in Hartford) to develop.
OR.
We can invest a huge amount into Staal, and cringe every time he takes a hit, still not have another real top 2 center. Have a huge amount of the cap tied up into one position (like we have on the RW).
The Rangers didn't have Marc in the lineup for a huge portion of the last 4 seasons. Del Zotto, who got chastised, did a fine job playing in the top four on the left side and the world didn't end.
The Rangers found ample depth on the right side, which is harder to accomplish.
I would trade Staal this summer, get a top-notch, young center, buy-out Richards, and find a cheap-ish left-side option on the market, shorter-term. Sign Skjei to his ELC once his season at Minnesota ends. Allow John Moore and Skjei(in Hartford) to develop.
OR.
We can invest a huge amount into Staal, and cringe every time he takes a hit, still not have another real top 2 center. Have a huge amount of the cap tied up into one position (like we have on the RW).
broadwayblue
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No, it's not a huge concern to me. And it won't be to the Rangers organization except to the point they aren't going to give him 8 years at 8M. He will be offered something in the neighborhood of the Cally deal (6x6) and that's a fair deal for both sides. If we buy out Richards (which we'd be crazy not to) there will be enough money to get a top 2 center.
Let Blaine Die
Holden out 4 a hero
Why do you think Staal would return a young top line center? His value on the trade market is not equivalent to his talent. While Staal wants to stay here, if Staal is not signing here, then there is only one other place he'd go to. He'd be a one year rental. And if the Rangers should be so concerned with Staal's health, then other teams should be too, which further diminishes his trade value.
Also, why do you think Skjei is going to leave school after this season? He's been great this year, but he has hardly been dominant to the point that he needs to leave school. It's more likely that Skjei will take Kreider's route and go back for his junior year before leaving college a year early.
It really is a concern. And if the Rangers aren't concerned, they're foolhardy.
78 games missed. Including time THIS SEASON with a concussion.
Look at the roster, and this is the position you can trade from to improve other weaknesses (center).
One hard decision had to be made this season, more need to be made.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
broadwayblue
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After what Tampa got in return for St. Louis, Staal can fetch a sizable return. It wouldn't be a playoff rental. The acquiring team would have him for a full season.
Skjei's defensive game is ready to move on to the next level. Define dominant. If you are waiting for big offensive numbers that won't happen. If he decides to stay for his Junior year, that's fine. I wasn't suggesting he play in the NHL next year at-all anyway. I clearly put Hartford in parentheses. And suggested signing a left-side defender to a short-term deal as Moore and Skjei, and Allen, develop their games.
Yeah, and it's clear they are foolhardy. As fully documented by other reckless roster decisions.
I'm a fan of Staal, as I was a fan of Callahan. But a time comes when making the proper decision comes. And handing out bags of cash for players with serious injury concerns is an improper decision.
Assume for a moment, the Rangers could get a package of Vatanen and Kerdiles from Anaheim in exchange for Staal. Do you sign him to a 6-7 year deal at 6+ then? I sure don't. I make the deal and use the freed cap space to improve other areas of weakness.
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That's what i mean by foolhardy. Reckless roster decisions with zero foresight. Instant gratification.
Also, aren't we signing Staal to a 6-7 year deal, at 6+ per, ASSUMING he won't suffer more concussions and miss more time? Looking at recent history, I'd say the chances of concussions happening are far more likely than not.
