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Speculation: The future of Marc Staal

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Ail said:
Yet despite all that immaturity, the outcome is usually the same on the management side. It didn't seem like Sather and Co. thought keeping Callahan as a rental was an option either seeing as they not only traded him, but had more than one deal in place for him, maybe several. Please remind me what your original stance was that you vehemently stood by? They weren't going to trade Callahan amidst a playoff push, and we didn't know anything about asset management? Was that it? Ironically the "immature" people you are condescendingly referring to were correct and you were wrong.

As cute as this post is, and certainly somewhat accurate, it is not applicable to every situation. Callahan was redundant, his injury concerns were valid and he was asking too much money. Notice how the same narrative didn't apply to Girardi? Most of us saying they should trade Girardi were suggesting it early on when the team looked like hell. After they started to play better and we found out what Girardi was asking the majority of the board was saying they should get a deal done with him since he would not be easy to replace, especially for the remainder of this season.

The same will apply to Staal. He will not be easy to replace and should be resigned. His injury concerns are overblown. He will probably ask what he is worth. The only way he should be traded is if he is hell bent on leaving NY. So I don't think you'll be likely to see your aforementioned scenario play out.
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Yawn.....

Yup, you are right my post said the Rangers wouldn't trade Callahan or Girardi at the deadline. That they should wait until the after the season because they were in playoff position. You disagreed with that, so I posted this in my next post...


Yes, that's exactly what it's about. It's about that feeling posters get when they see that "confirmed with a link" in red letters next to a trade. It's why the board goes crazy every July during free agency.

If the Rangers were in a position to not make playoffs I would be screaming that Girardi and Callahan should be traded. They aren't in that position though. Are they?

This trade talk is crazy. Unless the Rangers are trading Callahan and Girardi for players that can help out right away (and the laughable trade proposals don't reflect that) it's pointless to even talk about trading them.
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You might want to research my posts before calling me out again...Nice try...It did make me laugh to see that you are still bent out of shape about it.....I posted unless the Rangers are trading Callahan and Girardi for players that can help out right away......hmmm......Do you think I was wrong when I posted that? Do you think MSL is a trade for prospects? I'm not always right, I'm usually wrong but in the future you might wanna....ya know....call me out when I'm actually ...um....wrong....Either way it doesn't matter.

In this thread I predict how the board will react with Staal over the coming months and year. I'm basing my prediction on how this fanbase treats players that are up for contracts. They treat them like they are paying the players salary or are arguing a case in arbitration.....

What really pisses you off, is when you jump on the trade Staal bandwagon somebody.....maybe even me.....will point to this thread and say told ya so.........
 
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Unless Staal is asking for 8 years 56M he's getting re-signed. He has been and continues to be one of the most important pieces in the eyes of management.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Yawn.....

Yup, you are right my post said the Rangers wouldn't trade Callahan or Girardi at the deadline. That they should wait until the after the season because they were in playoff position. You disagreed with that, so I posted this in my next post...




You might want to research my posts before calling me out again...Nice try...It did make me laugh to see that you are still bent out of shape about it.....I posted unless the Rangers are trading Callahan and Girardi for players that can help out right away......hmmm......Do you think I was wrong when I posted that? Do you think MSL is a trade for prospects? I'm not always right, I'm usually wrong but in the future you might wanna....ya know....call me out when I'm actually ...um....wrong....Either way it doesn't matter.

In this thread I predict how the board will react with Staal over the coming months and year. I'm basing my prediction on how this fanbase treats players that are up for contracts. They treat them like they are paying the players salary or are arguing a case in arbitration.....

What really pisses you off, is when you jump on the trade Staal bandwagon somebody.....maybe even me.....will point to this thread and say told ya so.........
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Alright fair enough on the first point, but you did also state, swearing up and down, that they weren't going to trade either of them because of the playoff position, until the rumors started.

As far as hopping on the bandwagon. Don't waste your time looking for it, because unless for some reason it gets out he actually does want to go to Carolina (I don't believe that currently.) rather than re-sign here, I won't be advocating trading him. Even with McD ahead of him on the depth chart he's still an incredible defensemen at the top of his game.

Even though Conor Allen is playing very well in Hartford right now I don't see him jumping in to take over Staal's minutes, and do so as effectively. I doubt Skeji will be close either. So you can rule those options out for me personally.

I guess we'll see how it plays out soon enough.
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Do you think MSL is a trade for prospects? I'm not always right, I'm usually wrong but in the future you might wanna....ya know....call me out when I'm actually ...um....wrong....Either way it doesn't matter.
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Oh, and on this point, the MSL deal wasn't the only one they had lined up, and infact Sather himself even said the second deal they had to fall back on was for... THE FUTURE.

So yeah they were prepared to move him for either prospects or picks. :)
 
Ail said:
Alright fair enough on the first point, but you did also state, swearing up and down, that they weren't going to trade either of them because of the playoff position, until the rumors started.

As far as hopping on the bandwagon. Don't waste your time looking for it, because unless for some reason it gets out he actually does want to go to Carolina (I don't believe that currently.) rather than re-sign here, I won't be advocating trading him. Even with McD ahead of him on the depth chart he's still an incredible defensemen at the top of his game.

Even though Conor Allen is playing very well in Hartford right now I don't see him jumping in to take over Staal's minutes, and do so as effectively. I doubt Skeji will be close either. So you can rule those options out for me personally.

I guess we'll see how it plays out soon enough.
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Fair enough. Just so we are clear about something, I never would've used the obnoxious tone in this thread if you didn't refer to my post as cute. I also don't know what point you were trying to make by calling me out. What were you trying to prove?

Look we are posters on a message board.......I'm sure we agree on a lot of situations that have to do with this team. I actually like a great deal of the ideas you post.

Either way, lets hope the Rangers shock the world this offseason.....Wouldn't that be great......
 
I think Staal is a must resign NOW even though having him and Girardi locked up for the next 6 seasons makes me a little nervous. I guess I just I have to remind myself that we'll probably be able to move them in the future, should something bad happen to his health, play, etc.

I'm okay with the fact that it heavily relies on Skjei, Allen, and McIlrath to contribute in the future while on ELCs. Having 20 million tied up between Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, and Klein is going to make it a little difficult to manage cap-wise (especially with Hank's deal) so you need a cheaper bottom pairing. I don't know if we can keep Stralman/Diaz after this season and Moore is going to get raises as he gets older. I think Skjei and McIlrath could form a hardnosed bottom pairing that plays great defense. We'll probably need them to with so much money locked up.

People won't like it but I wouldn't be surprised if we traded one of our forward prospects for an NHL quality D-Man on a decent deal.
 
Ail said:
Oh, and on this point, the MSL deal wasn't the only one they had lined up, and infact Sather himself even said the second deal they had to fall back on was for... THE FUTURE.

So yeah they were prepared to move him for either prospects or picks. :)
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We don't know if Sather was bull****ing us........We also don't know what Sather's idea of "the future" is. It wouldn't shock me if that meant a trade for a 26 year old.....Would that shock you?
 
Son of Steinbrenner said:
Fair enough. Just so we are clear about something, I never would've used the obnoxious tone in this thread if you didn't refer to my post as cute. I also don't know what point you were trying to make by calling me out. What were you trying to prove?

Look we are posters on a message board.......I'm sure we agree on a lot of situations that have to do with this team. I actually like a great deal of the ideas you post.

Either way, lets hope the Rangers shock the world this offseason.....Wouldn't that be great......
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I guess I just found the tone of the original post belitting and condescending, even if there is some truth to it.

Yes, I think most of us agree on more than we are aware because we spend so much time arguing about the little things. Ultimately we all want to see them win, one way or another. That definitely would be great, I certainly feel more confident in this team than I did in December.
 
Callahan Auto said:
I think Staal is a must resign NOW even though having him and Girardi locked up for the next 6 seasons makes me a little nervous. I guess I just I have to remind myself that we'll probably be able to move them in the future, should something bad happen to his health, play, etc.

I'm okay with the fact that it heavily relies on Skjei, Allen, and McIlrath to contribute in the future while on ELCs. Having 20 million tied up between Girardi, McDonagh, Staal, and Klein is going to make it a little difficult to manage cap-wise (especially with Hank's deal) so you need a cheaper bottom pairing. I don't know if we can keep Stralman/Diaz after this season and Moore is going to get raises as he gets older. I think Skjei and McIlrath could form a hardnosed bottom pairing that plays great defense. We'll probably need them to with so much money locked up.

People won't like it but I wouldn't be surprised if we traded one of our forward prospects for an NHL quality D-Man on a decent deal.
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I'm not certain, but I don't think that they can't sign him until after the current NHL year closes, which would be starting on July 1.
 
I'd resign him right now if I could.

Top pairing defenseman on 2/3rds of the teams in the league. Makes the second pairing ultra reliable.

However, I agree. If he doesn't accept an extension this summer he needs to be traded. The Callahan situation can NOT be repeated.
 
broadwayblue said:
Unless Staal is asking for 8 years 56M he's getting re-signed. He has been and continues to be one of the most important pieces in the eyes of management.
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The money is the secondary issue here. They need to figure out if he wants to remain with the Rangers or not, and they need to determine that before the season starts. Otherwise we'll have another Callahan situation on our hands next February.
 
Trxjw said:
The money is the secondary issue here. They need to figure out if he wants to remain with the Rangers or not, and they need to determine that before the season starts. Otherwise we'll have another Callahan situation on our hands next February.
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And that's fine...no reason the organization shouldn't approach him after the season and ask his intentions. But I have every reason to believe that Marc will be re-signed.
 
i dont think staal wants to chase his bros to carolina..

way different situation then why jordan wanted to go to carolina, it wasnt to not only play with this bro, but a bigger opportunity/role for top 6 center and be a counter part, not just a 3c on a STACKED squad..

i think hes different, and this has always been his team.. marc's been the stud/core of this d for so long, plus with us shifting to captaincy, IMO he signs.. prob 5/6yr-5.5m AAV, same as g..

and hey if not, we take best offer and run.. teams will be lining up..prob ANA makes run and we could get sami and etem/palmieri for a year of staal
 
Staal wants his future settled this summer

“I saw those two guys go through it with the negotiations and all of the rumors that are impossible to avoid if you’re on the last year of your contract, and it’s not something I really want to go through,†Staal told The Post on Sunday following the Rangers’ buttoned-down 3-0 victory over the Red Wings at the Garden.

“You can say all you want that it’s not on your mind and it’s not a distraction, but it’s something that has to weigh on you,†No. 18 said. “I know my brother, Jordan, went through a lot of that early on in a season when he was in Pittsburgh and basically said, ‘Enough of that.’

“For me, the contract situation is definitely something I would like to take care of over the summer. That’s the goal, but that also has to be the way management looks at it, too, in order to get it done.â€
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“There’s the rest of the season and then the playoffs to go, so now’s not a time to focus on anything other than playing, or a time to talk about anything beyond that,†the alternate captain said. “But like I said, my preference is not to have to deal with all that stuff during [next] season.â€
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http://nypost.com/2014/03/09/rangers-must-go-out-of-character-lock-up-staal-soon/

No reason to wait. He didn't indicate if he wants to join his brothers. We will find out soon. :sarcasm:

Eddie O was talking about this on the broadcast yesterday. Kenny Albert too.
 
There is no incentive for staal to sign if his heart is in Carolina playing with his brothers. There is nothing SAther can do other than trade him over the summer or as rental next March and try and get those first rounders back.
 
Ail said:
Yet despite all that immaturity, the outcome is usually the same on the management side. It didn't seem like Sather and Co. thought keeping Callahan as a rental was an option either seeing as they not only traded him, but had more than one deal in place for him, maybe several. Please remind me what your original stance was that you vehemently stood by? They weren't going to trade Callahan amidst a playoff push, and we didn't know anything about asset management? Was that it? Ironically the "immature" people you are condescendingly referring to were correct and you were wrong.

As cute as this post is, and certainly somewhat accurate, it is not applicable to every situation. Callahan was redundant, his injury concerns were valid and he was asking too much money. Notice how the same narrative didn't apply to Girardi? Most of us saying they should trade Girardi were suggesting it early on when the team looked like hell. After they started to play better and we found out what Girardi was asking the majority of the board was saying they should get a deal done with him since he would not be easy to replace, especially for the remainder of this season.

The same will apply to Staal. He will not be easy to replace and should be resigned. His injury concerns are overblown. He will probably ask what he is worth. The only way he should be traded is if he is hell bent on leaving NY. So I don't think you'll be likely to see your aforementioned scenario play out.
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No offense, but his injury concerns are not overblown.

He's had three major injuries in the span of three seasons and all of them are head injuries.

3 major concussions, 1 in each of the last 3 seasons.
1 major eye injury.
Fractured orbital bone.
Other facial fractures.

And he's missed 78 regular season games going back to 10-11. And it's that little because one of the seasons was a half-lock-out. 09-10 is the last time he played a full season. By contrast, Girardi missed a total of 4 games over the span of 7 seasons.

You don't think that is a cause for concern moving forward? Just because he still knows how to play doesn't mean you throw caution to the wind.
 
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