GDT: The Four Nations Tournament Thread

[ProviesGhost]

Y'all are reading way to much into a 3 game all star tournament.

I don’t think so. Did you see the other players? Amped.

 

[Breakers]

2 shots on goal in 45 minutes of ice time and 66 shifts

Sick……

 

[arttk]

He should get on the same page as his client then…according to EP it was fine.

EP said he trained around his injury and is fine now.
Fine could mean he is no longer injured. No longer injured doesn’t mean he is in the shape he wants/needs to be in. They are separate concepts, is it that hard to understand.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

I don’t think so. Did you see the other players? Amped.

Not so much on Sweden. I felt their whole team underwhelmed and underachieved, to be honest (and Petey among them, to be fair).

 

[ProviesGhost]

Not so much on Sweden. I felt their whole team underwhelmed and underachieved, to be honest (and Petey among them, to be fair).

Sure, not 3 fights in 9 seconds amped.

 

[arttk]

Sure, not 3 fights in 9 seconds amped.

For the first game, I thought Sweden looked kinda shocked at how serious Canada took it.

 

[Hodgy]

Yes


I mean you also didn’t address what I said.
I’ve said that injury and lack of training are two separate issues, one caused another, sure but one being not an issue doesn’t mean the other will magically correct itself.
Injury lead to not enough training. Not injured anymore does not magically makeup for the lack of training. Muscles dont manifest out of thin air.
We’ve seen what happens when Petey is not injured and can train, which is almost every single season outside of this one. The fact we would question, well we don’t know if he can be the same Petey anymore if he has a healthy offseason is not one based on reason.

I understand what you are saying, and again, I just don’t know why the off season training is relevant five months later. You realize tons of players have worse injuries/rehabilitation, but come back way better than Pettersson has.

Can you find any examples of elite players who have an injury and perform this poorly for this long after the injury? It seems to me most elite players come back from injury and perform much closer to their pre-injury form.

The idea that Pettersson needs a year to recover - from last offseason - seems both insane and totally unprecedented.

Again, I’d be more inclined to just believe his knee was still f***ed.

 

[nowhereman]

Here is an explain like I am a HFboarder version.

Hockey players spend summer lifting weights to get stronger and faster.
Injured Petey no lift weight in summer because injury make him ouchie.
No lift weight Petey mean Petey no strong and no faster and sucky at hockey because other players faster and stronger.
Petey this summer no injury can lift weights. Lift weight Petey make Petey stronger and faster. Faster and stronger Petey no sucky at hockey.

This post sort of unironically acknowledges just how absurd the whole suboptimal off-season excuse really has become. I don't buy that Pettersson was forced to train around an injury and then, as a result, suddenly loses so much muscle structure that he devolves into a shell of his former self. Are there any other examples of this happening to a star player?

 

[rypper]

Injuries hitting team USA hard.

 

[Hodgy]

This post sort of unironically acknowledges just how absurd the whole suboptimal off-season excuse really has become. I don't buy that Pettersson was forced to train around an injury and then, as a result, suddenly loses so much muscle structure that he devolves into a shell of his former self. Are there any other examples of this happening to a star player?

100%. Like, some posters have just accepted that it might take A WHOLE YEAR from last off season for him to get back in shape. It’s insane.

Kucherov had a much worse injury, in season with surgery four years ago, and finished with 69 points in 47 games.

McDavid tore his knee five years ago in season and ended up with 105 points in 56 games.

And you can find tons of other examples because elite players don’t just score at half their normal rated for five months after they trained around an injury in the off season.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

One take involves a lot more common sense than the other though, otherwise what's the point of training in the offseason lmfao

Shit I aint going sit here telling you are wrong. I’m just saying you’re gonna be wrong. Feel free to drag this post up if EP ends up fizzling out as a hockey player. I don’t think you will, though.

Injuries hitting team USA hard.

Miller causes injuries!!!! Trade him!!!!

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

100%. Like, some posters have just accepted that it might take A WHOLE YEAR from last off season for him to get back in shape. It’s insane.

Kucherov had a much worse injury, in season with surgery four years ago, and finished with 69 points in 47 games.

McDavid tore his knee five years ago in season and ended up with 105 points in 56 games.

And you can find tons of other examples because elite players don’t just score at half their normal rated for five months after they trained around an injury in the off season.

You realize the players are as much flesh and bone as we are, correct? They aren’t made of metal, and they aren’t horses that will just accept being yelled at and respond even better that way. Some players push back.

You already know that, though. I don’t know why I’m telling you this. We gave the keys to the city, told him how great he’s going to be, and now we want him gone? That’s madness.

Look at McDavid. He looks awful outside of his one-man shows. He’s playing hockey like it’s a f***ing track meet so nobody can even play with him. It’s a dreadfully boring way to play the game when it doesn’t work.

Pick a lane, either he’s the rookie that can do no wrong or he’s this guy who can do no right.

But nobody wants to pick just one lane. They just are concerned about looking smart. Guess what? We’re all posting here for a reason and it’s not because we are smart. We just really like hockey.

 

[arttk]

This post sort of unironically acknowledges just how absurd the whole suboptimal off-season excuse really has become. I don't buy that Pettersson was forced to train around an injury and then, as a result, suddenly loses so much muscle structure that he devolves into a shell of his former self. Are there any other examples of this happening to a star player?

What makes it absurd?
We have reports that Miller was pissed at Petey for his conditioning.
We have the aren’t saying his off season training was negatively affected by his injury.
We have Petey saying he has to work around his injury.
We have EDGE data showing that he is slowest he has ever been.

All of these are consistent and supports the idea that injury lead to less training, less training lead to less strength and power.
Nevermind the fact that the injury happened last January and he got slower and slower as he played through it. The data shows it, his speed data in the playoffs dropped off like a cliff.

Injured-> played through injury -> lead to him being weaker-> enter off season injured and can’t train as much -> still not strong enough.

Hockey players don’t just stay strong and fast because they are hockey players, they still need to do strength training all the time even during the season to somewhat maintain their strength even if overall they lose strength as the season goes on. If he can’t workout because he is injured and is just doing cardio by playing, we know that imbalance of cardio and strength training will lead to loss in strength. None of this shit is like controversial.

 

[Hodgy]

You realize the players are as much flesh and bone as we are, correct? They aren’t made of metal, and they aren’t horses that will just accept being yelled at and respond even better that way. Some players push back.

You already know that, though. I don’t know why I’m telling you this. We gave the keys to the city, told him how great he’s going to be, and now we want him gone? That’s madness.

Look at McDavid. He looks awful outside of his one-man shows. He’s playing hockey like it’s a f***ing track meet so nobody can even play with him. It’s a dreadfully boring way to play the game when it doesn’t work.

Pick a lane, either he’s the rookie that can do no wrong or he’s this guy who can do no right.

But nobody wants to pick just one lane. They just are concerned about looking smart. Guess what? We’re all posting here for a reason and it’s not because we are smart. We just really like hockey.

Ok, but you aren’t actually addressing my point.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Shit I aint going sit here telling you are wrong. I’m just saying you’re gonna be wrong. Feel free to drag this post up if EP ends up fizzling out as a hockey player. I don’t think you will, though.



Miller causes injuries!!!! Trade him!!!!

Okay then, since you're insinuating you think EP will fizzle out as a hockey player - give me 1 example in recent hockey history that a player with the track record that Pettersson has became washed at 26, just one.

The facts are out there, there are tons of reports that knee tendinitis was affecting him last year and he couldn't train much this offseason due to recovering from tendinitis (resting is the key to recovering from tendinitis).

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Ok, but you aren’t actually addressing my point.

Because I’m not arguing it because I agree with it silly!

Some of y’all are just too eager to watch heads roll than to stick with a player you used to believe in.

Okay then, since you're insinuating you think EP will fizzle out as a hockey player - give me 1 example in recent hockey history that a player with the track record that Pettersson has became washed at 26, just one.

The facts are out there, there are tons of reports that knee tendinitis was affecting him last year and he couldn't train much this offseason due to recovering from tendinitis (resting is the key to recovering from tendinitis).

Buddy I’m agreeing dummy lmao

If that’s what you think i said read it again man slower

 

[Szechwan]

Injuries hitting team USA hard.

Rudy Gobert of the NHL, Bird flu patient zero, book it


Joking

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Scary stuff. Hope he’s okay and it’s just precautionary.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Because I’m not arguing it because I agree with it silly!

Some of y’all are just too eager to watch heads roll than to stick with a player you used to believe in.



Buddy I’m agreeing dummy lmao

"I’m just saying you’re gonna be wrong. Feel free to drag this post up if EP ends up fizzling out as a hockey player. I don’t think you will, though."

Guide me through what that implies with context of the post.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

"I’m just saying you’re gonna be wrong. Feel free to drag this post up if EP ends up fizzling out as a hockey player. I don’t think you will, though."

Guide me through what that implies with context of the post.

Because I’m saying that he won’t fizzle out. Been saying that all thread mate. I thought that much was obvious but clearly not. Sorry.

Also you left out the first sentence

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Because I’m saying that he won’t fizzle out. Been saying that all thread mate. I thought that much was obvious but clearly not. Sorry.

Also you left out the first sentence

Fair play, I have not bothered reading through the whole thread because it's 100% just non-stop bitching and moaning about Pettersson lmao

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Fair play, I have not bothered reading through the whole thread because it's 100% just non-stop bitching and moaning about Pettersson lmao

Ya I find it hilarious too my man. We’re going to Cam Neely that f***ing kid the rate this thread is at.

 

[just22]

Here is an explain like I am a HFboarder version.

Hockey players spend summer lifting weights to get stronger and faster.
Injured Petey no lift weight in summer because injury make him ouchie.
No lift weight Petey mean Petey no strong and no faster and sucky at hockey because other players faster and stronger.
Petey this summer no injury can lift weights. Lift weight Petey make Petey stronger and faster. Faster and stronger Petey no sucky at hockey.

So because he didn’t work out in the summer he completely forgot how to shoot the puck?

I hope Petey bounces back but the injury and lack of summer training is just one part of an overarching list of issues with this player.

 

[Canucks LB]

Y'all are reading way to much into a 3 game all star tournament.

This is not a 3 game tournament, this is over a year of 50 point production + A poor playoffs + a 3 day tournament.

People being hard on petey is completely justified, does not mean they don't want him to do well.
For myself, I hope Petey goes on a f***ing tear in the 2nd half and is our true #1 C, but right now he barely looks like a 2c

 

[Jroach]

People being hard on petey is completely justified, does not mean they don't want him to do well.
For myself, I hope Petey goes on a f***ing tear in the 2nd half and is our true #1 C, but right now he barely looks like a 2c

Yeah. Petey defenders act like we don't want him to succeed, but we'd all love to see him be a beastly 100 point centre with two way ability. It would give us an actually decent shot at a Cup over the next few years.

At the end of the day, we want to see a Cup, and what better time than when we have our near-generational (if not for Cale Makar) defenseman and best Canuck of all time locked up on a sweetheart deal, outperforming it by almost double?

We just want him to succeed for us and do well. Trying to make an argument like we just "want to be right" is incredibly shortsighted, in my opinion. Hell, we're on an "oldschool" eyesore ad riddled forum just to discuss the Canucks. Why would we NOT want our franchise centre to play at a franchise level?