The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[417]

Haven't seen the doc yet but what was said to expose MB and Molson as liars? We already knew they were liars along with MT but was brought up in the doc.

Nothing really...just conjecture and speculation from fans.

 

[Frank Drebin]

What made the Leclair trade worst was his performance vs. the Habs every time they faced him after that.

That period of time where the Legion of Doom (Renberg-Lindros-Leclair) was dominating, was a difficult time to be a Habs fan.

and then Martin brodeur scored on us in the playoffs

 

[Hoople]

What made the Leclair trade worst was his performance vs. the Habs every time they faced him after that.

That period of time where the Legion of Doom (Renberg-Lindros-Leclair) was dominating, was a difficult time to be a Habs fan.

Without a doubt. Many sad memories for me.

 

[Newhabfan]

Haven't seen the doc yet but what was said to expose MB and Molson as liars? We already knew they were liars along with MT but was brought up in the doc.

MB was clearly lying when he said he was not actively shopping PK. He also lied when saying this was 100% a hockey trade.

But these are the kind of lies I expect the Habs GM to say if it helps his team. He's not under oath.

 

[BLONG7]

MB was clearly lying when he said he was not actively shopping PK. He also lied when saying this was 100% a hockey trade.

But these are the kind of lies I expect the Habs GM to say if it helps his team. He's not under oath.

MB is a spin doctor, always has been, so he makes sure that he doesn't look bad, and that the expectations of the team are tempered...he spends more time being careful of what he says more than anything...
In most cases, it's always hard to believe anything a GM says...for the most part. The most popular one is the coach is safe, and then two weeks later the coach gets fired...I know, we could only wish that had happened!! But that's the time, he was actually telling da truth!

 

[1909]

Haven't seen the doc yet but what was said to expose MB and Molson as liars? We already knew they were liars along with MT but was brought up in the doc.

So why commenting about it and speculating ?

You don't like MT & MB... We already know about it.

 

[Adriatic]

MB was clearly lying when he said he was not actively shopping PK. He also lied when saying this was 100% a hockey trade.

But these are the kind of lies I expect the Habs GM to say if it helps his team. He's not under oath.

That's exactly how a gm should act.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Haven't seen the doc yet but what was said to expose MB and Molson as liars? We already knew they were liars along with MT but was brought up in the doc.

It goes like this.

*fade to black*
June 2016

*Clip of MB saying PK is not available and rumors are BS*.
*Clip of Molson saying PK's here to stay*
*Another clip of MB saying he's not shopping PK*

*fade to black with dramatic music*....
4 days later boom the trade

 

[Toene]

The John Leclair trade debacle was on par with the Patrick Roy trade debacle.

Meh on McDonough and Subban.

McDonagh still hurts us to this day. McDonagh - Weber would be an awesome pairing imo.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

McDonagh still hurts us to this day. McDonagh - Weber would be an awesome pairing imo.

Take no more steps down this path of sorrow, it's not worth it. Would be so good though, lol.

 

[scrubadam]

McDonagh still hurts us to this day. McDonagh - Weber would be an awesome pairing imo.

McDonagh is a nice player and Gomez was a waste of space, but is that trade turning out to really be as horrible as it looked a few years ago?

McD is essentially a 30-35 PT D, 10 goals if lucky. Its nice to have on your 2nd pair (AVG's 23 minutes) but I put him in the Petry level not the Subban/Weber level of Dmen. If we traded Petry for Gomez it wouldn't be pretty but it wouldn't be the worst ever. Now maybe McD has another Defensive dimension to his game that is absolutely amazing but as the years pass the sting of that trade hurts less and less. In the end we gave up a 3D for 1.5 good years of Gomez. Bad but could of been a lot worse.

 

[Habby Gilmore]

When does the HBO thing on PK and the trade air? Or did it already?

 

[BaseballCoach]

MB was clearly lying when he said he was not actively shopping PK. He also lied when saying this was 100% a hockey trade.

But these are the kind of lies I expect the Habs GM to say if it helps his team. He's not under oath.

Grey area on "actively shopping" versus "listening to offers" - you want to say that is a lie, I don't agree, but I understand.

But this was ABSOLUTELY a hockey trade. When even most of the doubters are now happy, it's not because they suddenly don't like PK Subban and want to throw him under the bus, but rather because on the ice, it is working out JUST LIKE Bergevin was hoping.

 

[Toene]

McDonagh is a nice player and Gomez was a waste of space, but is that trade turning out to really be as horrible as it looked a few years ago?

McD is essentially a 30-35 PT D, 10 goals if lucky. Its nice to have on your 2nd pair (AVG's 23 minutes) but I put him in the Petry level not the Subban/Weber level of Dmen. If we traded Petry for Gomez it wouldn't be pretty but it wouldn't be the worst ever. Now maybe McD has another Defensive dimension to his game that is absolutely amazing but as the years pass the sting of that trade hurts less and less. In the end we gave up a 3D for 1.5 good years of Gomez. Bad but could of been a lot worse.

Yes maybe my choice of words wasnt the best but I think you underestimate McDonagh. He makes Girardi look legit. He's very good defensively and has a great first pass. Would give a lot to have him, our left side would look terrific. Right now left side is very meh, Emelin plays a bit over his head. Markov is still the general though, he has some gas left in the tank. Him and Weber have been money on the PP.

What if? :

McDonagh - Weber
Markov - Petry
Emelin - Pateryn
Beaulieu

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

All this talk of McDonagh got me clicking through his career numbers, and has anyone noticed his number vs. Montreal compared to quite literally every other team in the league? No goals, 2 points, even +/- in 18 games sticks out like a sore thumb, as does under 22 mins/game. Has destroyed division rivals for the most part, though. r/mildlyinteresting?

 

[scrubadam]

Yes maybe my choice of words wasnt the best but I think you underestimate McDonagh. He makes Girardi look legit. He's very good defensively and has a great first pass. Would give a lot to have him, our left side would look terrific. Right now left side is very meh, Emelin plays a bit over his head. Markov is still the general though, he has some gas left in the tank. Him and Weber have been money on the PP.

What if? :

McDonagh - Weber
Markov - Petry
Emelin - Pateryn
Beaulieu

I wouldn't kick McD off my team, and if I am not mistaken he has a nice cap friendly contract. McD would be a step up on almost all our D except for Weber. Just commenting on how the trade has gotten less worse as the years go by.

3 or 4 years ago it was Roy calibre level of blunder by some pundits (espcially Pierre McGuire). Now I don't think so much. McD isn't a bust or anything, but he isn't an elite 1D that was put out there (again PM).

Still a bad trade, but IMHO as the years go by it falls down the charts of worst habs trades in history. When Gomez was playing here it was up there with Roy/Chelios. Imagine if Valentenko would of torn it up and become the next Markov LOL.

 

[habs03]

MB was clearly lying when he said he was not actively shopping PK. He also lied when saying this was 100% a hockey trade.

But these are the kind of lies I expect the Habs GM to say if it helps his team. He's not under oath.

Sorry but if anything MB was honest form the start about Subban..

Right after the season end, I believe it was Brain Wilde that asked him if Subban was a guy he would stick with and a "foxhole guy", something he said about MT and meant that he was sticking to him. And he made it clearly that trading Subban or anyone else was possible. So its not like he said he was untouchable..

Even around the draft, he said he was listening to offers..

Plus I think Poile confirmed it he that he was the one that approached Bergevin during the draft about Weber Subban trade..

There is a difference between nothing giving the truth and lying.. see Price injury status.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Maybe MT isn't as horrible a coach you think...

Nope, he is. But that can be talked about in the MT thread.

Oh but he WAS... and for longer stretches than 16 games. He just always had a few hot streaks to kind of balance it all. Note that he still has one year left on that contract too, and he'll actually be making close to 5 M$ next year. That's horrible for the Caps.

Only thing that matters is the cap hit. 3.5 is nothing even if he didn't pan out.

For a little update on DSP: He has 1 goal, 2 assists and is -4 in 13 games. He's had all his points in a span of three consecutive games and nothing before or since. He started out with 17 minutes of ice time and had 9 minutes in his last game. Sekac on the other hand seems to being doing rather well... in the KHL.

If we're assessing MB's trades at and since last year's deadline, it now looks like this:

Nsh - Win (Habs are winning, Preds are not)
Chi - Huge win (Neither Weise or Flash are still on the Hawks)
Wsh - Huge win (See above)
NJ - Win (Matteau earns half of what DSP makes)

Excepting Subban, the sum of the four ex-Habs traded is: 42 gp: 3g, 4a, 7 pts, -6 in the NHL. Danault alone has 9 pts in 17 games.

Good job Bergevin?

I don't agree with your definitions of "huge win." The Radulov signing was great and so was hiring Muller. The Shaw deal is too freaking long and expensive, I'd much rather have Eller but Dannault is panning out and he's mitigated Eller so that's pretty decent.

The fact that Montreal is "winning" and Nashville is "not" doesn't make that trade a good one. I'll take Subban any day. But as I said in my post, I'm glad that Weber has racked up points for us.

 

[Kriss E]

It does matter!!.....some people here still think that PK cut them a check for 10m$....it's wrong.

It doesn't take away the fact that he's gonna raise the 10m$ and that's amazing, but let's get our facts right here.

Why is it so important to you?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

It does matter!!.....some people here still think that PK cut them a check for 10m$....it's wrong.

It doesn't take away the fact that he's gonna raise the 10m$ and that's amazing, but let's get our facts right here.

Who cares? The guy is raising the cash with his own time and efforts.

 

[Kriss E]

It's a small club that will quickly grow by the end of this hockey season. For awhile there was only a handful of us on this board who felt that way.

Vast majority of fans here were happy about Bergevin's hire, but yes, sure, it was only a ''handful''.

 

[Kriss E]

Maybe MT isn't as horrible a coach you think and actually is able to get a lot out of his players rather than hold him back?

Wonder if PK misses the 26 minutes a game he got here under MT, or the 4:21 of PP time he got here. 80 seconds less on the PP, 2 minutes less ice total, seems like Lav's trying to make PK a better person?

Or...you know...they don't have to rely on this one player.

It really doesn't matter if Therrien gets the most out of his players. I don't think he does, but it's irrelevant. What matters is how cohesive they all play as a unit.

 

[Yukon Cornelius Habs]

and then Martin brodeur scored on us in the playoffs

I still get grossed out remembering how happy Brisebois was after scoring the OT goal in game 4, so proud to extend the death sentence for one more game.

 

[scrubadam]

Or...you know...they don't have to rely on this one player.

It really doesn't matter if Therrien gets the most out of his players. I don't think he does, but it's irrelevant. What matters is how cohesive they all play as a unit.

So the smart thing to do is to not play your 9 Million dollar D who you traded your captain and franchise D for the most minutes? OK then...

If the shoe was on the other foot MT would be getting blasted here and called all kinds of names. Heck we have a perfect example with Eller.

But maybe your right and so is Lavs and PK is better suited for 2nd D minutes and 2nd wave PP. Lavs proving MT wrong in playing PK to much, should of played him fewer minutes I guess. LOL

 

[Habby Gilmore]

Who cares? The guy is raising the cash with his own time and efforts.

Let's be real here, there is a BIG, HUGE difference between convincing other people to give your charity $10 million of THIER money and giving away $10 million of you're OWN money. Yes the charity wins equally either way, but it's not at all the same how the money gets to them.