The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Toene]

His assists are a function of him being the primary puck carrier. He almost always got first touch when on the ice. Its not like he was/is a setup guy. Any chance he had to shoot he took, and he likely had a very high number of second assists. Adam Oates, he isn't.

PK is on the ice for most of his team's goals, 5th in 5-on-5 first-assists/60 for d-men in the last 4 years, behind only Hedman and Burns, equal with Karlsson, Pietrangelo :

- B-b-but it's despite him! He's just lucky!

 

[Frank Drebin]

Very well then. Does anyone questions Guy Lafleur's 1979 disco album? Because it clearly led to a decline in his game and a drop in our cup winning rate.

See? My previous statement is completely dumb and, down the road, so will any statement with regards to PK's off ice activities.

I'm not sure how the public reacted when the 5 time cup winner, three time Pearson, three time art Ross, two time hart, and conn Smythe winner released a disco album.

Reading Dyrdens book, it was very clear at the end of the dynasty that the guys didn't want it very bad any more, which is acceptable because they won all there was to win, and what more could the fans ask of them?

If lafleur released that album in the middle of the dynasty, I could see your point, but he did it when he was no longer fully interested in winning.

 

[Hoople]

And you'd show, yet again, that you dont understand the principle of causality. It's not like your debating skills havent already illustrated that.

What an athlete does with his own private time has no impact on his team - if he keeps himself in shape, obviously. Go ahead prove the contrary. Keep in mind PK is a dedicated gym-rat, as he's always been.

You are arguing from a flawed premise.

You think that an athlete being in shape physically (individually) is more important than the team dynamics. And we have already heard snippets about the team dynamics last season. And no, don't feel like litigating that again.

Team > Individual

 

[Toene]

You are arguing from a flawed premise.

You think that an athlete being in shape physically (individually) is more important than the team dynamics. And we have already heard snippets about the team dynamics last season. And no, don't feel like litigating that again.

Team > Individual

Yet again, you didnt provide the causality between his off-ice activities and the problems of the team. And you know why : there isn't.

You can talk about his on-ice play if you want, which the Price quote was about. But there are no teammates who said anything negative about his endorsement deals or his charity work, or w/e he does off the ice.

Please try to follow your own flawed point.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Why you gotta bring Malcolm into this?

Malcolm? I swear I thought he's talking about Jordan. Boy, was I off!

 

[Toene]

 

[SAKS AVENUE]

Any chance somebody might stream this for us in the USA?

 

[japhi]

Dedicating himself in the gym and performing at the best he could in professional sports is sacrificing his body, I would say the same for any other player playing has many minutes and as hard match-ups as he did. No he didnt cross-check people but the guy fought in the corners and protected the puck very well. Also he had as much shots blocked per game than
Doughty : 1.3/game

Good god, he makes as much as 30 GP's combined and much as 225 Marines. Lets please put some context around what these guys do. A lot of us play contact mens hockey for free so forgive me for not worshipping a guy that makes 9mm to play hockey. Trust me, its no sacrifice to play a kids game for huge amounts of coin.

 

[Hoople]

Yet again, you didnt provide the causality between his off-ice activities and the problems of the team. And you know why : there isn't.

You can talk about his on-ice play if you want, which the Price quote was about. But there are no teammates who said anything negative about his endorsement deals or his charity work, or w/e he does off the ice.

Please try to follow your own flawed point.

As I said earlier, not going to argue what was argued in the past.

I stand by my opinion that the Habs are a better Team without PK, for many reasons that I've stated. Feel free to disagree. You can't nor won't change my (or Bergevin's for that matter) mind about it. And I have no desire to change yours. It's the Internet. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

 

[SergeConstantin]

As a long time fan of Subban I feel a bit betrayed by what he says. It's like the huge fanbase he had here doesn't count. It's like he was bashed by everybody here. I hope he makes the difference between management not being happy with his activities and his fans who love him.

I heard some quotes taken from the documentary and so far he's not separating the two. It's all about Montreal not be a welcoming place for him.

 

[scrubadam]

PK is on the ice for most of his team's goals, 5th in 5-on-5 first-assists/60 for d-men in the last 4 years, behind only Hedman and Burns, equal with Karlsson, Pietrangelo :

- B-b-but it's despite him! He's just lucky!

Whats he doing now though? 8 pts -7 after 15 games. For 9 Million raises an eyebrow or two. Sell high, buy low looks like MB fooled Polie on that one.

Habs fans were blinded by their homer glasses and overrated PK. If he has a career low this year he won't be to far from the dreaded 30 where as we have been told decline sets in. Not sure if PK has the smarts and/or respect to ward of the decline of his physical abilities. We already saw last year that his lack of speed was catching up to him. When his agility goes and the slapper go not much left in his game.

But I know small sample size and all. Lets wait till game 81 for the sample size to be large enough. Maybe I eat crow (won't be the first time) and PK goes on a 20 game point streak. Or maybe not and last year was the plateau and now he is trending in the down direction.

And BTW as far as his off ice activites go, don't care and wish him the best and his brand. PK being a TO and a Canadian means media will always want to give him attention. If his off ice activities effect his on ice play its not our problem anymore, thats Nash fans problem.

 

[scrubadam]

As a long time fan of Subban I feel a bit betrayed by what he says. It's like the huge fanbase he had here doesn't count. It's like he was bashed by everybody here. I hope he makes the difference between management not being happy with his activities and his fans who love him.

I heard some quotes taken from the documentary and so far he's not separating the two. It's all about Montreal not be a welcoming place for him.

Do you mind elaborating didn't have a chance to hear any quotes.

I always figured he had a conentious relationship with management, but I also always thought he loved the city and felt that he was welcomed here. Wasn't that one of his big points during his Engels interview.

 

[417]

As a long time fan of Subban I feel a bit betrayed by what he says. It's like the huge fanbase he had here doesn't count. It's like he was bashed by everybody here. I hope he makes the difference between management not being happy with his activities and his fans who love him.

I heard some quotes taken from the documentary and so far he's not separating the two. It's all about Montreal not be a welcoming place for him.

No need to take it personally...doesnt matter who he was talking too

There were clearly people, whether in management/coaching staff, media, fans, who didn't fully accept him and wanted him to conform.

If that doesn't apply to you, then no need to die on that sword

 

[1909]

Honest truth.

If Weber allowed his summer vacation to be transformed into an HBO documentary, I would lose respect for him and seriously doubt his commitment to the team.

Louis Morissette, the producer, and PK are very good buddies. They both appeared in the same Boston Pizza ads, and Morissette had him on the big New Year Eve French TV show, the Bye-Bye 2016.

Morrisette loves entertainers. He is one and married to one, Véronique Cloutier. He's Jose Theodore brother in law.

My concern is that quote: "I did not feel accepted in MONTREAL. That's a low blow to the Montreal and Quebec people who adored him if he means the CITY, and not the TEAM....

But from a guy saying on camera: "I never question myself" and "Only God can judge me...", I would not be so surprised.

 

[1909]

No need to take it personally...doesnt matter who he was talking too

There were clearly people, whether in management/coaching staff, media, fans, who didn't fully accept him and wanted him to conform.

If that doesn't apply to you, then no need to die on that sword

YES, it matters.

That guy was the all-time best paid players in the history of the MONTREAL Canadiens.....

Rocket Richard must turn in his grave.

 

[Toene]

As I said earlier, not going to argue what was argued in the past.

I stand by my opinion that the Habs are a better Team without PK, for many reasons that I've stated. Feel free to disagree. You can't nor won't change my (or Bergevin's for that matter) mind about it. And I have no desire to change yours. It's the Internet. We can respectfully agree to disagree.

This conversation isnt and has never been about opinion. You said that his off-ice activities make him a worse teammates. You've never provided any data to support your point. Conclusion : you are talking out of your ass.

That being said, your attempt at moving the goal posts is understandable since you've realized that the claim you've made is factually wrong.

Again, I dont mind the trade, as long as we go further than the ECF in the next couple years. Unsubstantiated claims are what bothers me though.

 

[Team_Spirit]

PK had very nice words for us after the trade. I would not take those quotes out of context and wait to see the documentary.

It was most likely directed at you know who.

GOT spoiler, you have been warned :

http://i.imgur.com/r5U5g1S.gif

 

[SergeConstantin]

PK had very nice words for us after the trade. I would not take those quotes out of context and wait to see the documentary.

It was most likely directed at you know who.

GOT spoiler, you have been warned :

http://i.imgur.com/r5U5g1S.gif

Therrien is an idiot but Subban isn't 100% innocent in this story. Putting all of the blame on the coach isn't right when you consider even TC had the same doubts about his ability to lead and to play on a team. By his comments so far, I'm sad to say it but he has only proved the Habs management did the right thing.

 

[Redux91]

Its tough reading all this drivel on Subban now that hes gone

its funny how people can turn on someone so fast, just because he doesnt play for our team anymore

People act like he didnt absolutely love to be here in MTL, watch all these vids on youtube CH duels, watch subban carefully and dont tell me hes not a great guy

its disgusting hearing all this crap about him, and people wishing him ill and to do bad

we should be wishing him all the best in nashville

class act fans we are.

and for people who think "he hasnt or cant move on from MTL" , that just speaks to how much he absolutely loved being a hab and how devastating the trade must of been for him, he doesnt show it, but im sure it hurt him big time, and i dont blame him for taking it super personally, he thought he was going to be here forever, so for him to be a lil mad at bergevin and management, to me, seems a bit warranted

has the trade gone in our favor? for now, yes, anything can happen in the next 5 years, but Weber has indeed been a force to be reckoned with, but Subban was a tremendous player for us as well, and a point machine, transition machine, there are games where we definitely miss it

 

[sheed36]

Its tough reading all this drivel on Subban now that hes gone

its funny how people can turn on someone so fast, just because he doesnt play for our team anymore

People act like he didnt absolutely love to be here in MTL, watch all these vids on youtube CH duels, watch subban carefully and dont tell me hes not a great guy

its disgusting hearing all this crap about him, and people wishing him ill and to do bad

we should be wishing him all the best in nashville

class act fans we are.

and for people who think "he hasnt or cant move on from MTL" , that just speaks to how much he absolutely loved being a hab and how devastating the trade must of been for him, he doesnt show it, but im sure it hurt him big time, and i dont blame him for taking it super personally, he thought he was going to be here forever, so for him to be a lil mad at bergevin and management, to me, seems a bit warranted

has the trade gone in our favor? for now, yes, anything can happen in the next 5 years, but Weber has indeed been a force to be reckoned with, but Subban was a tremendous player for us as well, and a point machine, transition machine, there are games where we definitely miss it

Not only reading it but on the radio as well. Marinaro and Nilan really turned on Subban it seems near the end of last season and since the trade.

Listening to both of these new foxhole members talk about Subban made it sound like Subban was the worst teammate ever.

 

[Bryson]

Its tough reading all this drivel on Subban now that hes gone

its funny how people can turn on someone so fast, just because he doesnt play for our team anymore

People act like he didnt absolutely love to be here in MTL, watch all these vids on youtube CH duels, watch subban carefully and dont tell me hes not a great guy

its disgusting hearing all this crap about him, and people wishing him ill and to do bad

we should be wishing him all the best in nashville

class act fans we are.

and for people who think "he hasnt or cant move on from MTL" , that just speaks to how much he absolutely loved being a hab and how devastating the trade must of been for him, he doesnt show it, but im sure it hurt him big time, and i dont blame him for taking it super personally, he thought he was going to be here forever, so for him to be a lil mad at bergevin and management, to me, seems a bit warranted

has the trade gone in our favor? for now, yes, anything can happen in the next 5 years, but Weber has indeed been a force to be reckoned with, but Subban was a tremendous player for us as well, and a point machine, transition machine, there are games where we definitely miss it

Well said.

 

[417]

YES, it matters.

That guy was the all-time best paid players in the history of the MONTREAL Canadiens.....

Rocket Richard must turn in his grave.

To each his own I guess...i stopped giving a **** about PK Subban about 48hrs after the trade.

Couldn't careless about what he thinks to be honest

 

[Redux91]

Not only reading it but on the radio as well. Marinaro and Nilan really turned on Subban it seems near the end of last season and since the trade.

Listening to both of these new foxhole members talk about Subban made it sound like Subban was the worst teammate ever.

I listened to a LOT of Marinaro for a brief period in may, and youre right, i couldnt beleive what was being said about him

they just turned on him so fast, it was a real shame

Nilan specifically said "hes gotten to big for the team, and when that happens, they have to go" and i never thought in a million years they would actually do it

but ill never turn on PK, he was a great person and an even better hockey player and i wish i had met him at least once, but he loved being a Hab, more then a lot of other people to ever don the jersey

and i respect that

 

[417]

Its tough reading all this drivel on Subban now that hes gone

its funny how people can turn on someone so fast, just because he doesnt play for our team anymore

People act like he didnt absolutely love to be here in MTL, watch all these vids on youtube CH duels, watch subban carefully and dont tell me hes not a great guy

its disgusting hearing all this crap about him, and people wishing him ill and to do bad

we should be wishing him all the best in nashville

class act fans we are.

and for people who think "he hasnt or cant move on from MTL" , that just speaks to how much he absolutely loved being a hab and how devastating the trade must of been for him, he doesnt show it, but im sure it hurt him big time, and i dont blame him for taking it super personally, he thought he was going to be here forever, so for him to be a lil mad at bergevin and management, to me, seems a bit warranted

has the trade gone in our favor? for now, yes, anything can happen in the next 5 years, but Weber has indeed been a force to be reckoned with, but Subban was a tremendous player for us as well, and a point machine, transition machine, there are games where we definitely miss it

why is it tough to see people move on?

Certain fans Loyalty lies more with individual players, than it does the team...

Which is fine, I'm personally more attached to the team. I LOVED Subban while he was a Hab, but I'm very much the mentality of "with us or against us" .

That's just how I'm built...dont see what's wrong with that?

 

[Censored Toad]

I listened to a LOT of Marinaro for a brief period in may, and youre right, i couldnt beleive what was being said about him

they just turned on him so fast, it was a real shame

Nilan specifically said "hes gotten to big for the team, and when that happens, they have to go" and i never thought in a million years they would actually do it

but ill never turn on PK, he was a great person and an even better hockey player and i wish i had met him at least once, but he loved being a Hab, more then a lot of other people to ever don the jersey

and i respect that

basically in I think March they turned on him and just kept ramping up the BS max vs PK crap.

It was sickening.