The Former Hab Thread - Part Infinity

[Treb]

No McDonagh?

McDonagh never played for the Habs (and played his first NHL game 1 1/2 year after the trade).

 

[1909]

PK is possibly still in a state of shock to had been traded out of Montreal.

His attitude and words are showing it.

He would certainly had preferred to be dealt to a LA team or a NY team were cameras and microphones are everywhere.

Weber is a great fit on Habs D. PK is not on Nashville's were Josi is playing about the same style and is missing Weber steadiness behind him.

Of the two, Weber is the best defensemen. PK might be the best player.

 

[the]

Why do you have a scrub like Gionta on the first line and not Vanek?

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Though I normally wouldn't spend much energy deflecting criticism away from PK, I've seen it take months sometimes for good player to fully integrate into the fold, and for coaches to figure out how to get the very most out of their new player. And not all the "fault/blame" can be assigned to the player, himself. You can't just transplant a blueprint from the previous team if you don't have anywhere near similar assets playing in with a similar structure. Developing a "feel" for those playing around you is a real thing, and takes time in the vast majority of cases ("instant chemistry" is extremely rare, and learning what to anticipate from teammates takes time and experience).

TL-DR: It's a bit too early to turn armchair expert and make any grand proclamations about PK's play in his new home.

 

[PaulD]

LMAO

 

[AHShadow]

Watching the documentary really reminds of how much I liked Subban (and still do). It seems pretty clear that he's still taking it hard that he got traded and is trying to move on. Really happy with how Weber is playing for us right now, but still miss the fancy plays he would make, his celebrations and even his turnovers from time to time (not really though).

Really sad reading all of these posts and people turning on Subban. He was a great player for us and also a great person as well. He was awesome on the Habs and I hope he finds success with the Preds and secretly hope he comes back after his contract is done.

 

[1909]

Though I normally wouldn't spend much energy deflecting criticism away from PK, I've seen it take months sometimes for good player to fully integrate into the fold, and for coaches to figure out how to get the very most out of their new player. You can't just transplant a blueprint from the previous team if you don't have anywhere near similar assets playing in with a similar structure.

TL-DR: It's a bit too early to turn armchair expert and make any grand proclamations about PK's play in his new home.

What about Weber. has he adapted well ? Do you really think he was that happy to leave Nashville were he was having a quiet time, matching more his shy public personality ?

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

Why do you have a scrub like Gionta on the first line and not Vanek?

That's kinda valid.

 

[1909]

Watching the documentary really reminds of how much I liked Subban (and still do). It seems pretty clear that he's still taking it hard that he got traded and is trying to move on. Really happy with how Weber is playing for us right now, but still miss the fancy plays he would make, his celebrations and even his turnovers from time to time (not really though).

Really sad reading all of these posts and people turning on Subban. He was a great player for us and also a great person as well. He was awesome on the Habs and I hope he finds success with the Preds and secretly hope he comes back after his contract is done.

Did you know that PK was executive producer of his own documentary ? Good sale job, man.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

LMAO

You can get it as a hoodie.

 

[PaulD]

Though I normally wouldn't spend much energy deflecting criticism away from PK, I've seen it take months sometimes for good player to fully integrate into the fold, and for coaches to figure out how to get the very most out of their new player. And not all the "fault/blame" can be assigned to the player, himself. You can't just transplant a blueprint from the previous team if you don't have anywhere near similar assets playing in with a similar structure. Developing a "feel" for those playing around you is a real thing, and takes time in the vast majority of cases ("instant chemistry" is extremely rare).

TL-DR: It's a bit too early to turn armchair expert and make any grand proclamations about PK's play in his new home.

Yes how long do you think it will take Weber to "fully integrate into the fold" . Since "you cant just transplant a blueprint from the previous team"

Wonder how long it will take Vesey in New York. Marner in Toronto. Laine in Winnipeg. Radulov in Montreal.

How long did it take Pronger to "integrate" when he got to St Louis, or Edmonton, or Anahiem, or Philly?

Howe long did it take Nedimyer to intagrate on the Ducks?

Chara take a long time to "integrate" on the Sens or how about when he integrated on to the Bruins?

I like PK . I like Weber even better. (Some of PKS fans dont help his cause)

The excuses for PKs poor month compared to Webers stellar month would even have Subban chuckling i bet.

 

[Kriss E]

I have nothing against PK, and get kinda mad when I see people dump on him.

But we must be accurate.

Subban did not give $10M to the Children's Hospital. He PLEDGED (made a promise, not actually did the thing) to RAISE (get other people to donate, not necessarily himself) funds for the MCH, over the next 7 or so years (not sure of exact number).

The Atrium he got named after him kicked in at once, however, so some people think he already made the $10M donation. That is not accurate.

Arguing about semantics over his charity act is simply bizarre.

PK Subban engaged himself to donate 10M to the charity. Whether it's done via his own pocket, foundation, raised by some event, who gives a flying crap.
Basically those kids are getting 10M dollars in help and it's all thanks to PK.

People that try to knock this down by saying ''Wait a minute! He's not the one giving the money out of his own pocket!'' are showing some seriously weird colors.

 

[Ohashi_Jouzu*]

What about Weber. has he adapted well ? Do you really think he was that happy to leave Nashville were he was having a quiet time, matching more his shy public personality ?

Well, we primarily have on-ice performance so far to go by. But in theory different types of players are going to have easier times integrating into new groups of players. Someone recently referred to "idiot proof" players, or something of the like. This is what Weber is, and what Subban isn't. It can basically be distilled down to the difference between players who are expected to have the puck on their sticks a lot, drive play, and improvise based on what the defenses give them (Subban), and those who are expected to get the puck as quickly as possible to the next guy in the right direction (Weber). In other cases, it's simply a matter of vastly different levels of hockey IQ between the two. I think this applies to Subban/Weber as well, to be honest.

Crude differentiation but I think it highlights a major factor behind integrating into a new group/system. I expected Weber's simple game to integrate into Montreal quicker than Subban would integrate into Nashville's workings, but I prefer Weber to Subban anyway, and the book being written on the subject is still just in Chapter 2.

 

[MXD]

Bad. That team would make the actual Habs team look very strong at Center.

 

[PaulD]

What about Weber. has he adapted well ? Do you really think he was that happy to leave Nashville were he was having a quiet time, matching more his shy public personality ?

Great point.

Not to mention all the charity work he was connected to for years. The Captaincy he gives up.

Maybe Weber will put out his own documentary and tell everyone about it.

I doubt it. ( ;

 

[AHShadow]

Did you know that PK was executive producer of his own documentary ? Good sale job, man.

No point in your post. Subban wants to grow his brand, so he produces a documentary. For sure he'll have the final word in what is shown, what else would you expect? Still like the guy and is still one of my favourite hockey players.

 

[Uncle Gary]

Very bad.

 

[LarryO]

Arguing about semantics over his charity act is simply bizarre.

PK Subban engaged himself to donate 10M to the charity. Whether it's done via his own pocket, foundation, raised by some event, who gives a flying crap.
Basically those kids are getting 10M dollars in help and it's all thanks to PK.

People that try to knock this down by saying ''Wait a minute! He's not the one giving the money out of his own pocket!'' are showing some seriously weird colors.

Exactly! Whether he's donating money that he earned playing hockey or money that he earned hosting a comedy gala, all the money is a result of his work. So yeah, he's donating $10,000,000.

 

[PaulD]

Arguing about semantics over his charity act is simply bizarre.

PK Subban engaged himself to donate 10M to the charity. Whether it's done via his own pocket, foundation, raised by some event, who gives a flying crap.
Basically those kids are getting 10M dollars in help and it's all thanks to PK.

People that try to knock this down by saying ''Wait a minute! He's not the one giving the money out of his own pocket!'' are showing some seriously weird colors.

And people who say he donated 10 million dollars are off by 9 million.

 

[PaulD]

Exactly! Whether he's donating money that he earned playing hockey or money that he earned hosting a comedy gala, all the money is a result of his work. So yeah, he's donating $10,000,000.

So does everyone on the comittee who helps PK raise the money also claim to have donated the same 10 million?

 

[Redux91]

Yes Subban was a tremendous player for us but he was also a polarizing one. He gets booed in most rinks. He hasn't moved on so why should we? Why do I owe Subban anything? I am a fan of the Habs, he is on another team and I couldn't care less if he succeeds or not.

The Subban sycophants were insessent that all he needed to do was get away from MT, play in a wide open system, amd he would thrive. He was succeeding in Montreal despite the org, remember that? The system - that was built completely around him - was holding him back. Well now is the time for him to show us all wrong.

Of course you guys want us to just go away but you guys pounded the MT/MB narrative down our throats the last 4 years. And if Subby was lighting it up and Weber struggling it would be unbearable in here. So you guys can suck it up, this is the only thread we are allowed to talk about Subban and Eller whereas you guys are aloowed to bash current players in every thread.

Lol calm down, im not asking you guys to go away, im saying a lot of you have gone from loving subban to just out right hating him and wishing him to do poorly

its pathetic

YOU say you couldnt care less wether he succeeds or not, sure thats fair, but most are wishing he sucks and that weber outproduces him just to justify the trade, which is silly, weber brings different things to the team, and subban brought different things to the team, but at least subban also brought things to the community and went out of his way to do so, because he truly loved being a hab, maybe not more than all the players PaulD mentioned in his snobby post, but it sure felt like it


The thread is designed to keep tabs on how they are doing, but calling his 8 points in 15 games for a Dman overrated is laughable, quotes saying things like oh he was never any good as a hab, this proves it blah blah, again, its just pathetic

 

[Treb]

1 million from his bank account.

plus

9 million to come in from other peoples bank accounts.

equals 10 million

If I may correct this:

1 million from his bank account.

plus

9 millions to come in from other peoples bank accounts that decided to donate because of/from PK raising efforts.

equals 10 millions he helped raise.

No one should care how he raised the 10 millions. Point is he took the time/effort/sacrifice to raise it.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Did you know that Eric Lindros donated $5M cash to the London Health Sciences Center?

 

[Toene]

I would have to delve into the realm of his teammates believing that PK was bigger than the Montreal Canadiens. And then bring up the clearly frustrated PK and his infamous quote after scoring a goal.

Hockey is not played in a vacuum or on a laptop. It is not an individual game. A team is dependent upon mutual respect...not love, not admiration, not physical ability...no, it's mutual respect for the Organization, the team and the teammates.

If you don't get that, that's ok.

Still nothing substantial on his off-ice activities effecting the team in a bad way. But keep going with the same crap Ive never argued against.

Youve made a claim that was wrong and you cant admit it. Man up dude.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Is it so wrong to want to win the trade and to win it big? Of course I'm not sad to see him struggle.