Teams still won't want that term (2 more seasons beyond this one at $4.75m cap hit) and the dude turns 35 this April. It won't be as easy of a sell as you make it out to be and I think it only happens at the deadline if the team is out of playoff contention. If the playoffs are in sight...that would be the exact scenario you traded him for.
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Teams still won't want that term (2 more seasons beyond this one at $4.75m cap hit) and the dude turns 35 this April. It won't be as easy of a sell as you make it out to be and I think it only happens at the deadline if the team is out of playoff contention. If the playoffs are in sight...that would be the exact scenario you traded him for.
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18 points in the first 14 games is so far beyond what my expectations were that it's not even funny. I probably would have guessed 8-11 points.
If I would have been told that Jenner and Dubinsky would have 2 goals between them and be a combined -10, my guess, obviously, would have been for even less points.
The season is 1/6th gone and the CBJ are in playoff contention despite sub par performances by two of the mainstays. Who could have asked for more?
If I would have been told that Jenner and Dubinsky would have 2 goals between them and be a combined -10, my guess, obviously, would have been for even less points.
The season is 1/6th gone and the CBJ are in playoff contention despite sub par performances by two of the mainstays. Who could have asked for more?
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I am not saying trade all of them, and my suggestion is not a knee jerk reaction.
Murray- I would love to keep Murray, but if we could get Sam Reinhart for him I would really consider that as I think that helps the team more than Murray on the second pair.
Jenner-He has always struggled with skating, it was why he fell out of the first round in his draft year, and I think some of his struggles are a direct result of the increased team speed. I also think that he is one of the assets we have who would be far more valuable to another team due to his grit than he is to us.
Dubinsk- I just think he is going to be a problem going forward, particularly due to his contract and inability to be effective at wing. As soon as next year we are looking at Wennberg and Karllsson passing him on the depth chart as well as PLD pushing and possibly surpassing him. Add in Jenner being able to be an above average 3rd Center and Sedlak looking like he belongs and I think Dubi is going to have alot of young hungry guys that deserve his spot as he starts to decline.
alphafox
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You are right, I thought his contract was a year shorter. I think we can move him, but with that term still left I you are right that the return likely won't be worth it.
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I just love where this team is right now.
Look at the standings and everybody crows about the teams at the top, and is ready to fire somebody on the teams at the bottom. Columbus is in the mushy middle that nobody talks about.
Columbus beats Montreal 10-0. So what do people talk about......What the heck went wrong with Montreal? Should they have switched out goalies? If so at what point?
Columbus beats Anaheim twice in two weeks....................crickets.
Columbus beats Dallas twice, once by shutout. The story............."Look at all of Dallas injuries"!!
Bob has 3 shutouts and a GAA near 2.0 and what does everybody talk about......Cary Price is AWESOME!!! (he is ....but that's all anybody focuses upon).
Columbus beats the Capitals in OT and what is the story..............Boy, the Capitals sure have a big game tomorrow night against Pittsburgh.
As far as I'm concerned, this team can continue to fly under the radar unnoticed, and not relevant to rest of the hockey world for the remainder of the season. My fear is that this all changes next week. Think about this. Next week the CBJ have 5 games in 7 days, plus US Thanksgiving. There are 10 points available If the unthinkable would happen, about the time the world is digesting the OSU - Michigan result, the CBJ could have about 27-30 points.....in their first 20 games. By next Saturday the games in hand issue should have evaporated. They could struggle and still be in that mushy middle.....Jones could still be out.....Jenner and Dubinsky could still be wandering in Hocking State Forest. But just imagine if they perk up, Jones is back and Wennberg keeps going.
Oh my Gosh.........................Someone might notice!!!!
Look at the standings and everybody crows about the teams at the top, and is ready to fire somebody on the teams at the bottom. Columbus is in the mushy middle that nobody talks about.
Columbus beats Montreal 10-0. So what do people talk about......What the heck went wrong with Montreal? Should they have switched out goalies? If so at what point?
Columbus beats Anaheim twice in two weeks....................crickets.
Columbus beats Dallas twice, once by shutout. The story............."Look at all of Dallas injuries"!!
Bob has 3 shutouts and a GAA near 2.0 and what does everybody talk about......Cary Price is AWESOME!!! (he is ....but that's all anybody focuses upon).
Columbus beats the Capitals in OT and what is the story..............Boy, the Capitals sure have a big game tomorrow night against Pittsburgh.
As far as I'm concerned, this team can continue to fly under the radar unnoticed, and not relevant to rest of the hockey world for the remainder of the season. My fear is that this all changes next week. Think about this. Next week the CBJ have 5 games in 7 days, plus US Thanksgiving. There are 10 points available If the unthinkable would happen, about the time the world is digesting the OSU - Michigan result, the CBJ could have about 27-30 points.....in their first 20 games. By next Saturday the games in hand issue should have evaporated. They could struggle and still be in that mushy middle.....Jones could still be out.....Jenner and Dubinsky could still be wandering in Hocking State Forest. But just imagine if they perk up, Jones is back and Wennberg keeps going.
Oh my Gosh.........................Someone might notice!!!!
I get that - but Hartnell has 9 even strength points, on the 4th line. I just can't see the return being high enough to justify hurting the team in the near term.
[Edit: I see you have switched in consideration of the remaining term]
Jenner and Murray I can see big returns for, and they're not as helpful to the team right now.
Oh that'll come. The Jackets aren't well placed to give Cam big money when he's due for it.
Viqsi
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I still think the offense is bad. Eliminate our 2 high scoring games and we are towards the bottom in scoring.
We will see Friday if we have the horses to run with a real offensive team.
We will see Friday if we have the horses to run with a real offensive team.
You're basically saying "ignore 2 instances that help to disprove my point" in order to argue your position. I think they help to show that the offense is inconsistent, but not necessarily that the offense is bad.
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Eliminating 2 out of 14 games is cherry picking.
If the Jackets have explosive offensive potential once every seven games, then that's highly suggestive of a decent offense.
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I kind of get what he's saying. I mean, consider this. Mark Zuckerberg really isn't that rich when you eliminate his Facebook shares. Jackets aren't really that good at scoring goals when you remove 18 of them from the total.
Kinda the same thing
Viqsi
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Excellent comparison, too! Facebook, after all, is one of those unlikely fluky things that probably wouldn't work out if he had to try it a second time.I kind of get what he's saying. I mean, consider this. Mark Zuckerberg really isn't that rich when you eliminate his Facebook shares. Jackets aren't really that good at scoring goals when you remove 18 of them from the total.
Kinda the same thing
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Man , don't bring that crap around here when the Jackets suck much less when they are on a pretty decent roll.
I tend to agree with you. Someone mentioned cherry picking but if it is than why without those 18 goals are we nearer the bottom than the top? I'd rather us have a smaller deviation and still have the same average before I dub the team an offensive juggernaut. And a lot of the offense comes from an unsustainable power play percentge.
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Hold on now lol. I'm not being overlly negative, or not trying to be anyways.
The point I was getting to is while the team has a high goal differential, its artifically high right now because of those 18 goals in 2 games. The Rangers are at 4.25 GPG or so and lead the league. If you sub in that total, this team is towards the league bottom 1/3 with the leagues leading PP. 18G and leading the league in PP is probably not sustainable. This team struggles to score 2 goals a game on a regular basis then scores a touchdown periodically. It throws off the curve and IMO makes the team looks better on paper offensively than it seems to be in regular practice.
I'm not trying to start an argument or convince anyone I am right, just expressing my concerns with the team.
The point I was getting to is while the team has a high goal differential, its artifically high right now because of those 18 goals in 2 games. The Rangers are at 4.25 GPG or so and lead the league. If you sub in that total, this team is towards the league bottom 1/3 with the leagues leading PP. 18G and leading the league in PP is probably not sustainable. This team struggles to score 2 goals a game on a regular basis then scores a touchdown periodically. It throws off the curve and IMO makes the team looks better on paper offensively than it seems to be in regular practice.
I'm not trying to start an argument or convince anyone I am right, just expressing my concerns with the team.
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8 games with 3 or more goals.
4 games with 2 goals
2 games with 1 goal.
I don't have a huge problem with that at all.
4 games with 2 goals
2 games with 1 goal.
I don't have a huge problem with that at all.
Nanabijou
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If you are going to go with this, you should throw out the top two scoring games for everyone and see where the jackets stand. Plus, average it per game because the jackets have played less games then a lot of teams.
No, I'm not doing all that right now, but my guess is the jackets are at least middle of the pack.
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Thats fair. And honestly i'm not going to do it either. I might look into it later if I get really curious.
So in 43% of our games we score 2 goals or less with the leagues leading PP and one of the top PK... I don't like it much at all. Like I said, I'm not trying to convince anyone though, its just my concern.
Plus, i'm pretty sure once I tell myself these guys are good, we will lose like 7 straight or something. The counter opinions are interesting at this point though.
Why am I the only one who will bother to do the math?
If you subtract the 18, you better subtract the two games. That's 31 goals in 12 games, or 2.6 goals per game. That's average. And if you go around the league and subtract each team's highest scoring pair of games, you'll find most teams below that 2.6 goals per game mark.
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