The fact the Jets have the highest point percentage in the Central while having no players that are PPG is scary

Nucker101

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... at least try to get the facts straight.

Otter is a .917, Hellebuyck is a .916.

Otter .917 in playoffs, .911 in reg season
Helle: .916 in playoffs, .917 in reg season


Yeah, give me Helle easily especially factoring in that Otter plays behind the likes of Heiskanen and Lindell, 2 of the better defensive dmen in the league.
 

TS Quint

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Let me reiterate.

Here is what you said:

"if he shows up in the playoffs like he has the last few years there's no goalie I'd rather have"

The last few years is two years. I think we can safely ignore his 8 saves in 2020. One of those two years wasn't particularly good. It was one good series (.929 sv%) followed by two bad series (.877 and .877 sv%).

I'm questioning this labeling of Oettinger as some playoff warrior who always shows up, when it mostly comes down to 7 excellent games in his first playoff series.
You didn’t read the non sense he wrote. “If he shows up” and puts up a .929% then there is no other goalie in the league he would want. I’m sure we can say that if any goaltender puts up the .929% that’s probably the goaltender I would want. But he only wants that goalie of his name is Ottenger.
 
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Duke749

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Three things that always surprise me....

1) Depth is underrated.
2) Defense is underrated.
3) Goaltending is underrated.

It's almost like we think teams will win a Stanley Cup because they have 3 or 4 amazing top end players. We forget that hockey is a team sport, and no matter how many pajama boys or nostrils you have, you aren't getting past a well constructed TEAM, if the rest of your guys are shite.
Dept
Goaltending
And one of your top players playing around a PPG

Those are my biggest keys to winning the Cup.
 

MrHeiskanen

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I mean if he's not a strong defensive dman he must be pretty bad then, cuz his puck moving and offense is well below average. My apologies, didn't know he was a below average dman.

He's fine, just disagree with the assertion that he is one of the better ones (implying like Top 10) in the league.
 

Nucker101

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He's fine, just disagree with the assertion that he is one of the better ones (implying like Top 10) in the league.
Didn’t say top 10. Implied that he’s well above average defensively, and if he isn’t then yikes he’s pretty average all around then because he’s very limited offensively to begin with outside of the simple outlet pass. If he’s a Brendon Dillon level player then his reputation is definitely undeserved.

This goalie argument is hurting my head. Ott and Helly are virtually the same in the playoffs.
If we’re talking who you’d take for a series today, I think you’d be crazy not to take the guy who’s in Vezina form vs the guy who’s basically been average.
 

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I read posts about the Jets having no superstars compared to other contending teams, other than Helly of course. Morrissey finished 5th in Norris voting last season. He was voted as the 9th best defensemen in the NHL by executives and players in a recent poll ahead to players like Pietreangelo and Theodore who he would supposedly play behind in Vegas.


He has a good chance of finishing in the top-10 in Norris voting this year. There are nearly 200 nhl defensemen. If you are considered top-10 in the world at your position you are a superstar - end of discussion.
 

Duke749

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I read posts about the Jets having no superstars compared to other contending teams, other than Helly of course. Morrissey finished 5th in Norris voting last season. He was voted as the 9th best defensemen in the NHL by executives and players in a recent poll ahead to players like Pietreangelo and Theodore who he would supposedly play behind in Vegas.


He has a good chance of finishing in the top-10 in Norris voting this year. There are nearly 200 nhl defensemen. If you are considered top-10 in the world at your position you are a superstar - end of discussion.

The Jets have all the pieces that can be a Cup contender. A great #1 center, a top 10 defenseman, a potential Vezina winner, and depth through 4 lines and 6 defensemen. It’s just whether or not they can show up come playoff time like most teams.
 

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don't be salty lol Helle is unreal, super great for the Jets to have him. not as great as Edmonton getting McDavid of course but still amazing
Salty? Simply responding to the Winnipeg Hellebuycks comment from an Oilers fan. If any team knows anything about one player carrying their team its Oil fans so I just found the comment somewhat ironic and replied as such.
 
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MrHeiskanen

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Didn’t say top 10. Implied that he’s well above average defensively, and if he isn’t then yikes he’s pretty average all around then because he’s very limited offensively to begin with outside of the simple outlet pass. If he’s a Brendon Dillon level player then his reputation is definitely undeserved.


If we’re talking who you’d take for a series today, I think you’d be crazy not to take the guy who’s in Vezina form vs the guy who’s basically been average.

Above average vs. "2 of the better defensive dmen in the league." don't seem like the same statement to me. But if that is what you meant then, fair enough I agree.
 

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Haven't seen much of the Jets at all this year tbh. In previous years what I noticed was a counter-attack style of play, Helly would play out of his mind, sometimes they'd be pinned in their own zone and just when you think they're about to get scored on, he'd make a huge save and then odd-man rush going the other way that's capitalized on.

No clue if that is the case this season, based on what I'm reading it seems they're playing a more complete game now. If that is the case, then yes teams better watch out. Vezina goalie with a good 2 way team is a good recipe for success.
 

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I'd be fine with him getting votes, but Brossoit has been the best backup in the league, and the Jets have played the best defense they have in years.

19-20 with the worst or second worst defense in the league he probably deserved it a bit more narratively
I'd say the best team defence since they have been back in the league.
 

GreatSaveEssensa

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I read posts about the Jets having no superstars compared to other contending teams, other than Helly of course. Morrissey finished 5th in Norris voting last season. He was voted as the 9th best defensemen in the NHL by executives and players in a recent poll ahead to players like Pietreangelo and Theodore who he would supposedly play behind in Vegas.


He has a good chance of finishing in the top-10 in Norris voting this year. There are nearly 200 nhl defensemen. If you are considered top-10 in the world at your position you are a superstar - end of discussion.
Please don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Any Winnipeg fan knows just how good Josh is and most other fanbases couldn't be bothered to watch the Jets play. It should come as no surprise he is vastly underrated. Oh well….
 
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The have a team-wide .920 save% while the next best teams have a .913. That’s a massive gap which easily accounts for and exceeds their offensive struggles.

But it also looks “scary” for their postseason outlook. Teams need to be well-rounded to make a deep run. All-defense teams are just as likely to hit an ill-timed slump as all-offense teams.
not exactly massive. That is 7 more goals saved per 1000 shots. They have faced approximately 2000 shots this season. Equates to 14 more goals saved over 69 games or 1 extra less goal allowed every 5 games than the next closest team.
 

Deno

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To be fair Nashville deserves some respect. I think I read they're Top 3 team in points % since November if I'm not mistaken.

They're a damn good team this year.
Agree The Preds could be the sleeper team in the POs. As for the Jets even if they win the central they will play either the Preds or VGK. This may be the best version of the Jets since they returned to the league but there will be no easy series for them. I believe they are good enough to win a cup if they play within Bowness system. That said, the good teams they meet right off the bat could easily mean another 1st round exit.
 

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not exactly massive. That is 7 more goals saved per 1000 shots. They have faced approximately 2000 shots this season. Equates to 14 more goals saved over 69 games or 1 extra less goal allowed every 5 games than the next closest team.

In goalie terms, that is massive. Here’s the spread among goalies with 35+ games this year:

1. Hellebuyck .923
2. Talbot .917
Swayman .917
Demko .917
D’Accord .917
6. Bobrovsky .916
7. Luukkonen .915
Lindgren .915
9. Kochetkov .913
10. Binnington .912
11. Shesterkin .912

27. Oettinger .896
28. Gibson .891
29. Korpisalo .887

The entire spread from best to worst is only .036. The last two guys are really just sacrificial lambs in net at this point, with skewed numbers to match. Using Oettinger as the lowest of the really representative body, it narrows down to only .027 top to bottom.

In that context, Helleybuyck is running something like 20% ahead of the pack. That’s ****ing ridiculous, similar to what McDavid did in the scoring race last year.

In a league where a typical game is decided by 1 goal, saving 14 goals on the season is a huge deal. Even if only half of those impact a W, that’s 7 wins… that’s 14 points… that’s the difference between Winnipeg and Vegas, coming from one guy’s performance.
 

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not exactly massive. That is 7 more goals saved per 1000 shots. They have faced approximately 2000 shots this season. Equates to 14 more goals saved over 69 games or 1 extra less goal allowed every 5 games than the next closest team.

16-18 goals over a season is the difference between making and missing the playoffs for about 10 teams….
 
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