The fact the Jets have the highest point percentage in the Central while having no players that are PPG is scary

[abax44]

not exactly massive. That is 7 more goals saved per 1000 shots. They have faced approximately 2000 shots this season. Equates to 14 more goals saved over 69 games or 1 extra less goal allowed every 5 games than the next closest team.

"Extra less"... is that like "jumbo shrimp"?

 

[abax44]

Yup last time 5 years ago and all those other years when the game was more defensive and you could get away with winning with more defense less offense. Now the game is more offense and if you can’t score you can’t win. Without a player going PPG in the playoffs, your chances are not gonna be good. Actually you might need couple of players going PPG to win

Science!

 

[tarheelhockey]

I just can agree that .923 is pretty close to .935+. You made a point how .06 is huge gap and in next post he is somehow close to players gapping him by twice this number. You cant have it both ways.

I see what’s going on here. You’re looking at numbers from a wide range of years and putting them in direct competition with each other e.g. Hellebuyck’s .923 versus Darcy Kuemper’s .928 a few years ago.

I’m talking about the distance between the league’s best #1 goalie and the rest of the league’s starters. When Kuemper had his .928, he actually finished 2nd behind Tukka Rask’s .929 and there was a third guy, Merzlikins, also carrying a .923. Whereas right now it’s Hellebuyck standing alone at .923 and this big gap down to the best of the mortals at .917.

That’s why I made the McDavid comparison. The big deal last year wasn’t that he scored over 150 points. That’s been done a bunch of times, including by a meh star like Bernie Nicholls. The big deal is that he did it in a year where the next-best guy scored 128, and the best non-teammate was only 113. The 153:113 ratio is the part that matters when holding him up against all the seasons ever.

Hellebuyck isn’t at that level, but look at the way his save% relates to the #2 guys, the average, and the spread of #1 goalies leaguewide. 0.06 is a really big gap between him and the rest of the league.

Yes it’s true that this has also happened the past couple of years with different guys, but that isn’t normal. Usually we go years without seeing a goalie so this. It’s a Hart-contending performance and therefore “historic” at least as a notable aspect of this season.

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Oh, I see, you are saying that if Helly has an off game, because LB is on the bench the Jets are goona win it....

When it comes to playoff time, I hope you don't hang your hopes on LB, do you?

Not sure what you mean with that question? Broissoit is part of the team. Helle is the starter, if he happens to go down, then yes we would hang our hopes on Bro. What choice would we have?

But if that was the case, he has shown us fans he can still get the job done and the team has faith in him based on his play this year and the fact he is the best backup in the league.

I mean it worked out pretty good for Vegas last year when the had to use him come the playoffs.

What a dumb question.

 

[Praetorian Caps]

Every single time I watch the Jets I’m blown away by Josh Morrissey. What a fantastic all-around player.

Yeah he's a stud player. And I'm amazed by Mark Scheifele too!

 

[nturn06]

Not sure what you mean with that question? Broissoit is part of the team. Helle is the starter, if he happens to go down, then yes we would hang our hopes on Bro. What choice would we have?

But if that was the case, he has shown us fans he can still get the job done and the team has faith in him based on his play this year and the fact he is the best backup in the league.

I mean it worked out pretty good for Vegas last year when the had to use him come the playoffs.

What a dumb question.

Funny, you put words into my mouth and call those words dumb.

I pointed out that the Jets should be concerned that, in the playoffs, if Helly doesn't have an awesome game (this does not mean he goes down), the Jets are in trouble without scoring. Again, this has nothing to do with him going down, or even having a terrible game.

The answer was that the Jets have LB, I don't understand how does that help.... Are the Jets planning to change goalies when Helle is not lights out?

 

[keglu]

I see what’s going on here. You’re looking at numbers from a wide range of years and putting them in direct competition with each other e.g. Hellebuyck’s .923 versus Darcy Kuemper’s .928 a few years ago.

I’m talking about the distance between the league’s best #1 goalie and the rest of the league’s starters. When Kuemper had his .928, he actually finished 2nd behind Tukka Rask’s .929 and there was a third guy, Merzlikins, also carrying a .923. Whereas right now it’s Hellebuyck standing alone at .923 and this big gap down to the best of the mortals at .917.

That’s why I made the McDavid comparison. The big deal last year wasn’t that he scored over 150 points. That’s been done a bunch of times, including by a meh star like Bernie Nicholls. The big deal is that he did it in a year where the next-best guy scored 128, and the best non-teammate was only 113. The 153:113 ratio is the part that matters when holding him up against all the seasons ever.

Hellebuyck isn’t at that level, but look at the way his save% relates to the #2 guys, the average, and the spread of #1 goalies leaguewide. 0.06 is a really big gap between him and the rest of the league.

Yes it’s true that this has also happened the past couple of years with different guys, but that isn’t normal. Usually we go years without seeing a goalie so this. It’s a Hart-contending performance and therefore “historic” at least as a notable aspect of this season.

I know what you meant. I was commenting how you consider .06 gap between Helle and other goalies this year as some kind of McDavid level performance and then somehow decided his season was pretty close to Ullmark's and Shesty's when numbers dont support it.

He wont be close to Hart. Shesty was 3rd with .935 and Art Ross winner at 123 points. 4-5 forwards will be at top of Hart voting.

Also McDavid scoring 150 first time since Lemieux was bigger story than him having 19% advantage over closest opponent (Kane had similiar advantage few years back)
Same with Matthews scoring 60 goals two years back, or Matthews potentially scoring 70 goals this season.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I know what you meant. I was commenting how you consider .06 gap between Helle and other goalies this year as some kind of McDavid level performance and then somehow decided his season was pretty close to Ullmark's and Shesty's when numbers dont support it.

He wont be close to Hart. Shesty was 3rd with .935 and Art Ross winner at 123 points. 4-5 forwards will be at top of Hart voting.

Also McDavid scoring 150 first time since Lemieux was bigger story than him having 19% advantage over closest opponent (Kane had similiar advantage few years back)
Same with Matthews scoring 60 goals two years back, or Matthews potentially scoring 70 goals this season.

I’m not sure why you’re hammering at this, tbh. I’m not talking about what was a bigger story in the media or the PHWA’s ongoing refusal to give Hart votes to goalies.

The fact remains that Hellebuyck has a very large lead on the rest of the goalies in save%, and this is an unusual thing to see. Disagreeing with that is simply disagreeing with facts. If that’s where we are, fine.