The fact the Jets have the highest point percentage in the Central while having no players that are PPG is scary

[Juxtaposer]

Every single time I watch the Jets I’m blown away by Josh Morrissey. What a fantastic all-around player.

 

[CDN24]

Only Montreal goalies are allowed to win the Hart.

Actually, its only Montreal and sometimes Buffalo who can have enough team success with no offense all all to justify a goalie winning the Hart.

In 2002 when Theodore won their leading scorer had 56 pts in 82 games, 2nd best had 44
In Prices year 2015 they almost blew it has Pacioretty had 67 pts in 82 and 2nd best broke 60 too

In the Hasek years it was the same story in 98 top point getter had 46 pts in 79 games. In 1997, top point getter had 53 in 82.

The Jets look like the 80s oilers in comparison to those Buffalo teams that Hasek won Harts with and the 2002 habs that Jose Theodore won with

 

[thekernel]

I guess I would ask why you feel that way.

-Schiefele’s actually having a rebound year, as far as points production, and he’s on the wrong side of 30.
- Morrissey is having the second-most productive year of his career.
- Ehlers’ season is career typical.
- Connor’s coming off a major midseason injury and will still have one of the best goal-scoring seasons of his career.
- Niederreiter’s season has been career typical, and he is past the age where that can be taken for granted.
- Monahan has been career-typical since the trade.
- Toffoli has been great since the trade and will finish with one of the best seasons of his career.

Which of these guys is leaving something significant on the table? It’s a pretty average group offensively, and they’re getting pretty average results compared to expectations. Monahan and Toffoli give them a little more pop than they had to start, but that seems about it.

If anything, it’s a group that seems like it could easily run into slumps or injury problems. Remember this team was supposed to be on the bubble, not leading their division. Defense and goaltending have been the difference maker for a team that’s otherwise playing to expectations.

Well, for one thing this is the only time all year where everyone has been together at full strength (including the new additions), which has directly resulted in a huge surge to their goals per game, and I don't think that's going to trend downwards any time soon. It's kind of disingenuous to dismiss Vilardi entirely, who has missed significant time to injury during a breakout season. I think any team that underestimates their offense as much as you do is setting themselves up for a rude awakening. Between the new guns and the fully healthy roster, I think their production this month is more indicative of their strength than their production from throughout the season

 

[MrHeiskanen]

The Rick Bowness effect. Such an underrated coach.

Underrated? The guy is a career failure.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

turtle ass team smh.


Helleybuck is good but this "best goalie in the league" crap reminds me of Sorokin.

Yeah his stats were great playing in the Trotz system, but now he looks mid af.

Jets are a great defensive team.

 

[MardyBum]

They were playing defense first hockey for most of the season, and the PP was AWFUL, which helps PPG for top 6ers. Would be funny if the end the season with zero though.

turtle ass team smh.


Helleybuck is good but this "best goalie in the league" crap reminds me of Sorokin.

Yeah his stats were great playing in the Trotz system, but now he looks mid af.

Jets are a great defensive team.

This year. He won a vezina with nothing. He'll win a vezina being even better but with a (mostly) very good defense.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Well, for one thing this is the only time all year where everyone has been together at full strength (including the new additions), which has directly resulted in a huge surge to their goals per game, and I don't think that's going to trend downwards any time soon. It's kind of disingenuous to dismiss Vilardi entirely, who has missed significant time to injury during a breakout season. I think any team that underestimates their offense as much as you do is setting themselves up for a rude awakening. Between the new guns and the fully healthy roster, I think their production this month is more indicative of their strength than their production from throughout the season

This month, 2 of their 9 games were against a team in a playoff position. 3 if you count Washington which has since slipped into the last WC spot.

No, I do not think that is at all indicative of what lies ahead of them.

 

[Turin]

The offense is pretty formidable when healthy. It gets dire fast as soon as Scheifele is injured though. I think Bowness over-compensates on defense, they have enough depth + a world class goalie that they could afford to open up a little more. But that will never happen with him coaching.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

turtle ass team smh.


Helleybuck is good but this "best goalie in the league" crap reminds me of Sorokin.

Yeah his stats were great playing in the Trotz system, but now he looks mid af.

Jets are a great defensive team.

Hellebuyck's bad years are decent and his best years are Vezina calibre.

This is just talking out of your ass and admitting you don't watch hockey. The Jets were laughable defensively Helle's entire career until last year.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Hellebuyck's bad years are decent and his best years are Vezina calibre.

This is just talking out of your ass and admitting you don't watch hockey. The Jets were laughable defensively Helle's entire career until last year.

ah damn you got me. Yeah i've never actually watched the sport. Can't wait to get my first look tonight!

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

ah damn you got me. Yeah i've never actually watched the sport. Can't wait to get my first look tonight!

This guy here thinks Hellebuyck's numbers are only good cause the Jets defense

 

[tbcwpg]

turtle ass team smh.


Helleybuck is good but this "best goalie in the league" crap reminds me of Sorokin.

Yeah his stats were great playing in the Trotz system, but now he looks mid af.

Jets are a great defensive team.

He won the Vezina playing behind beer league defence. Bowness is the one who's improved the team in that regard but the Jets have bled high danger chances for years that Hellebuyck has consistently saved well above expected.

 

[bossram]

He's got no chance due to being a goalie but Hellebuyck is the hart case nobody is talking about IMO.

He has been that good.

Yeah, Hellebuyck probably should be the Hart frontrunner, other than at some point in past decade the PHWA just decided that it's exclusively a forward's award.

Like, the premise of this thread is kinda strange. How are the Jets so good despite having a middling offense??? Uh well...they have the best goaltending in the league.

What a mystery.

 

[FoxyClean]

When the Rangers went to the Final in 2014, their leading scorer was Zuccarello with 59 points in 77 games.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah, Hellebuyck probably should be the Hart frontrunner, other than at some point in past decade the PHWA just decided that it's exclusively a forward's award.

It’s not a new thing. Since JFK was President, there have only been two runs of years where a non-forward won it — when Bobby Orr was the clear cut best player in the league, and during the Dead Puck Era. Otherwise it has been a 100% forwards’ trophy for no particular reason other than the PHWA doing PHWA things.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Wouldnt it be scarier if being in first place and having multiple guys over a point per game?

 

[thekernel]

This month, 2 of their 9 games were against a team in a playoff position. 3 if you count Washington which has since slipped into the last WC spot.

No, I do not think that is at all indicative of what lies ahead of them.

Oh boy, the playoff position argument. First of all, it's four teams "if you count Washington" (CAR VAN WAS NSH), which is the same percentage of teams (4/9) as you can expect over the course of a season (15/31). In other words, their strength of schedule this month has been literally average just like any other month. Second, why wouldn't you count Washington? How do you pick and choose to not count teams in playoff position when counting teams in playoff position? There is nothing about what you're saying that is a) factual or b) makes any sense

 

[bossram]

It’s not a new thing. Since JFK was President, there have only been two runs of years where a non-forward won it — when Bobby Orr was the clear cut best player in the league, and during the Dead Puck Era. Otherwise it has been a 100% forwards’ trophy for no particular reason other than the PHWA doing PHWA things.

Did not realize it was that slanted, I couldn't really recall the Hart winners from before the 2000s. Looking it up though, it is very stark.

That said, Price and Theodore won the Hart in the 2000s. If they throw a goalie a bone once per decade, it really should be Hellebuyck this season. But the narrative for Mackinnon seems to have already been printed, so he'll win.

 

[MardyBum]

Did not realize it was that slanted, I couldn't really recall the Hart winners from before the 2000s. Looking it up though, it is very stark.

That said, Price and Theodore won the Hart in the 2000s. If they throw a goalie a bone once per decade, it really should be Hellebuyck this season. But the narrative for Mackinnon seems to have already been printed, so he'll win.

I'd be fine with him getting votes, but Brossoit has been the best backup in the league, and the Jets have played the best defense they have in years.

19-20 with the worst or second worst defense in the league he probably deserved it a bit more narratively

 

[tarheelhockey]

Oh boy, the playoff position argument. First of all, it's four teams "if you count Washington" (CAR VAN WAS NSH), which is the same percentage of teams (4/9) as you can expect over the course of a season (15/31). In other words, their strength of schedule this month has been literally average just like any other month. Second, why wouldn't you count Washington? How do you pick and choose to not count teams in playoff position when counting teams in playoff position? There is nothing about what you're saying that is a) factual or b) makes any sense

They got their shit pushed in 0-5 against Vancouver, and then lost to Nashville too. Scoring a total of 2 goals in those 2 games.

In the process of correcting the details, you just proved my point.

Hanging 6s on Columbus and Anaheim is not a predictor of exploding into a deadly offensive team in the playoffs.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

It's all Connor Hellebuyck man.

He's truly the best goaltender in the league. Not just that, he and Vasi will for sure go down as some of the best of all-time.

It's either Hellebuyck or Kucherov who should be MVP. At least they should both be nominated.

 

[thekernel]

They got their shit pushed in 0-5 against Vancouver, and then lost to Nashville too. Scoring a total of 2 goals in those 2 games.

In the process of correcting the details, you just proved my point.

Hanging 6s on Columbus and Anaheim is not a predictor of exploding into a deadly offensive team in the playoffs.

??? You were literally caught making up details and now you're only counting the games that you want? That isn't proving your point, your point literally does not exist in the real world that we live in

 

[tarheelhockey]

??? You were literally caught making up details and now you're only counting the games that you want? That isn't proving your point, your point literally does not exist in the real world that we live in

My man, this is the point where you should stop digging.

You’re right that I misspoke, intending to say they had only won 2 games against playoff teams this month, rather than played.

In your rush to call that out, you just demonstrated that they did indeed play 2 other games against playoff teams — in which they lost, badly, and showed zero offensive pulse.

I suspect you didn’t really want to talk about that, but here we are.

The Jets played against Nashville, a lower-end playoff team who’s barely on the right side of the bubble. In that game, Nashville was up 4-0 with seven minutes remaining. That brought the total goals to 0-9 in the games you just chose to highlight as proof that they’re going to be a playoff threat. The Jets tacked on two garbage-time goals, including a PPG with 11 seconds left, to save face on paper. That’s the offensive surge we’re talking about? Or was it the 6 against Columbus? The 6 against Anaheim?

Do I need to mention that in the current standings, their first round opponent would be the same Nashville team that ran them out of the building? Is that something you meant to highlight as well?

I’ll accept the correction you made, but the conclusion that must naturally be drawn from it is exactly the point I was making.

 

[PAZ]

Well, for one thing this is the only time all year where everyone has been together at full strength (including the new additions), which has directly resulted in a huge surge to their goals per game, and I don't think that's going to trend downwards any time soon. It's kind of disingenuous to dismiss Vilardi entirely, who has missed significant time to injury during a breakout season. I think any team that underestimates their offense as much as you do is setting themselves up for a rude awakening. Between the new guns and the fully healthy roster, I think their production this month is more indicative of their strength than their production from throughout the season

Winnipeg's team is built very similar to Carolina's, with the exception of having Helly in net.

I think they've seen first hand where average offense only goes so far in the playoffs. That's not an indicator that the Jets are going to fail in the playoffs, but a player is going to need to step up in the postseason to lead the offense.

 

[Mr Positive]

It might be the right strategy in a cap world. Spend the cap dollars up and down the lineup.

We focus on the top superstars but if you have to skimp on depth that's a weakness to exploit and makes you vulnerable to injury