Salary Cap: The Endless Speculation Edition

[Gurglesons]

Abso-f'ing-lutely.

That was my concern ever since the idea of trading Phil started being entertained.

*fart noise*

 

[Empoleon8771]

If Kessel was actually a finisher, he would still be in Pittsburgh most likely

I absolutely agree that the Penguins need a better finisher, but Kessel sure as **** wasn't that by the end of his time here. And he has continued that with the Coyotes so far. He's a playmaker who's heavily reliant on the PP at this point, the Penguins need goal scorers right now. They need another Guentzel or another Neal, not to have kept Kessel.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

*fart noise*

Where is your god now?

 

[Gurglesons]

Where is your god now?

Injured while Justin Schultz notable PP back up let’s in a shorty.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Injured while Justin Schultz notable PP back up let’s in a shorty.

If only someone could have predicted that Letang would get injured.

 

[ChaosAgent]

It’s HoG. He makes no sense.

Tempted to post the quote again about Rust.

 

[Peat]

Can we keep the ancient history out of here? Kessel's no longer a Penguin. Dragging him up again and again - with the result that others drag him through the mud again and again - isn't what most of the forum wants to read. Argue it out in the trade thread or a new thread if you really want, just don't make the rest of us go through it for the 100th time.


In an attempt to be slightly more on-topic...

Schultz is playing okay, and his pairing is playing more than okay, but the level of RD I'd need as his replacement on the second pairing is dropping as it seems more and more that Pettersson is the man there and what Schultz is doing there isn't using his high-end offensive skills. And the lower the level of RD needed to replace, the more feasible it is to do in season and not lose Schultz's asset value to free agency. I'd like Rutherford to be kicking tires on that one at least.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Schultz is playing okay, and his pairing is playing more than okay, but the level of RD I'd need as his replacement on the second pairing is dropping as it seems more and more that Pettersson is the man there and what Schultz is doing there isn't using his high-end offensive skills. And the lower the level of RD needed to replace, the more feasible it is to do in season and not lose Schultz's asset value to free agency. I'd like Rutherford to be kicking tires on that one at least.

Would you do like-for-like or try to trade Gally or a prospect (or the 1st) for it? Like-for-like trades don't make sense to me but JR seems to specialize in them.

 

[Peat]

Would you do like-for-like or try to trade Gally or a prospect (or the 1st) for it? Like-for-like trades don't make sense to me but JR seems to specialize in them.

No particular preference amongst those avenues tbh. Like for like is more elegant, but maybe Chucky for RD and then Schultz for futures is how it'd work out, assuming we want to go there. Or maybe even a three way.

Not that I'd rush into it. Happy for Rutherford to keep giving this roster rope for at least another month. But it's something that's making increasing sense to me.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Independent production and worth while durability have value. Kessel was great here. He hit his expiration date. We got cap space that allowed us to sign Tanev, Petts, etc. Our team has looked more consistently dangerous than it has for years.

Pettersson and Tanev could have been signed in any number of ways that didnt involve trading PK. The only player who couldnt have been acquired is Galchenyuk, who's been a non factor.

Moved this to the cap thread.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pettersson and Tanev could have been signed in any number of ways that didnt involve trading PK. The only player who couldnt have been acquired is Galchenyuk, who's been a non factor.

Moved this to the cap thread.

You would have been moving players with negative value or losing a player like Rust.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

You would have been moving players with negative value or losing a player like Rust.

It isnt a close call to lose the likes of Gudbranson, Bjugstad, and JJ...or lose Kessel. The impact of each of those first players is either negligible or negative. Kessel is a huge positive.

 

[Turin]

Kessel is not a huge positive anywhere but the PP and the team still has the guys to make a good PP work.

 

[BHD]

It looks like the Kings will move Toffoli. Boston, who sorely need a RW for their second line, have been linked to him. Maybe the Pens could swap Galchenyuk for him.

 

[molon labe]

We have that guy. It's Bjugstad. I'm sure at some point they'll give it a test-drive this season unless they trade Bjugs first.

The problem with Bjugstad is he plays as soft as Phil did. Geno needs a genuine power forward - Radulov, Rick Nash of old, etc. Someone who can finish a check as easily as they can finish a scoring chance.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Schultz is playing okay, and his pairing is playing more than okay, but the level of RD I'd need as his replacement on the second pairing is dropping as it seems more and more that Pettersson is the man there and what Schultz is doing there isn't using his high-end offensive skills. And the lower the level of RD needed to replace, the more feasible it is to do in season and not lose Schultz's asset value to free agency. I'd like Rutherford to be kicking tires on that one at least.

Personally, I'm comfortable with entering next season with this defense if Johnson continues to play pretty well:

Pettersson-Letang
Dumoulin-Marino
Johnson-Riikola

I think Riikola steps in as the offensive RD replacement for Schultz in this case. I'd also entertain the idea of moving Johnson out, bringing in someone like Dillon (better version of Johnson) and running with:

Dumoulin-Letang
Dillon-Marino
Pettersson-Riikola

 

[Peat]

Personally, I'm comfortable with entering next season with this defense if Johnson continues to play pretty well:

Pettersson-Letang
Dumoulin-Marino
Johnson-Riikola

I think Riikola steps in as the offensive RD replacement for Schultz in this case.

Guess it's a bit early to say either way, but there's four guys there who I'm not certain about them continuing at that level right now and might want to upgrade from even if they do.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Guess it's a bit early to say either way, but there's four guys there who I'm not certain about them continuing at that level right now and might want to upgrade from even if they do.

I definitely don't see a need to upgrade on any of Pettersson, Marino, JJ or Riikola if they keep playing like they have played. You may need Dumoulin to be the anchor on the 2nd pair, like Paul Martin was back in the day, but I don't think he can't do that.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Kessel is not a huge positive anywhere but the PP and the team still has the guys to make a good PP work.

And yet...

"It sucks" - Evgeni Malkin

It's also disingenuous for anyone to talk about a player who scored like Kessel did at ES last year as not a huge positive outside the PP.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Can we keep the ancient history out of here? Kessel's no longer a Penguin. Dragging him up again and again - with the result that others drag him through the mud again and again - isn't what most of the forum wants to read. Argue it out in the trade thread or a new thread if you really want, just don't make the rest of us go through it for the 100th time.

This is the roster thread.

For as long as the roster is missing a skilled RH shot to fill Kessel's vacated role, it'll be an issue and this is the place to put it.

 

[Andy99]

It looks like the Kings will move Toffoli. Boston, who sorely need a RW for their second line, have been linked to him. Maybe the Pens could swap Galchenyuk for him.

he’s not better than AG...give AG a few more games before we toss him off the cliff...

 

[Peat]

I definitely don't see a need to upgrade on any of Pettersson, Marino, JJ or Riikola if they keep playing like they have played. You may need Dumoulin to be the anchor on the 2nd pair, like Paul Martin was back in the day, but I don't think he can't do that.

I don't get why you're happy to settle for "We don't need to upgrade them" instead of "We can't realistically upgrade them". Surely being as strong as possible should be the point.

 

[The Old Master]

And yet...

"It sucks" - Evgeni Malkin
.

question.... have you ever hear geno say anything bad about anyone that got moved?

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't get why you're happy to settle for "We don't need to upgrade them" instead of "We can't realistically upgrade them". Surely being as strong as possible should be the point?

I feel like that group really fits how the Penguins need to play and 3 of those 4 guys are young with upside. You're not going to have them improve by not playing them, because "you could have someone better". I'm all for upgrading on JJ with someone like Dillon, but wanting to upgrade on a good group just because you want better is just greed.

You need to balance now with the future IMO. Just because you can upgrade on one of Marino, Pettersson or Riikola doesn't mean you should.

 

[ownal]

Schultz, Bjugstad, Chucky, pick for Chiarot, Danault, Drouin.