The End Of The Shootout?

whatsbruin

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OT should be 5 on 5.

To make it real interesting, the backup goaltender plays, along with the 5 players with the minimum amount of ice time during the game.
 

DaveFromNB

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Baseball they play until someone wins, they don't have a home run derby to decide the winner of a game. Basketball they play until someone wins, they don't have a game of HORSE to determine the winner of a game. The NFL plays overtime, and horror upon horror they declare the game a tie if nobody wins in the OT. You don't see QB's throwing balls into hoops to decide the game. The NHL came up with the shootout abonimation to try and appease the fans of other sports to see if they could be attracted to hockey, or at least to get their puny minds to be able to understand a tie, offending the vast majority of hockey fans. It's time they admit to the mistake, and get rid of this stunt.

Personally I think they should play 5 on 5 until someone wins, 4 on 4 to me is just a different game and if it's only valid during the regular season it's just another stunt like having the ice girls have a tee shirt shooting contest or fans having a blue angel contest. I like the 4 on 4 game in the same way I like other sports, it's just not NHL hockey to me.
 

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Baseball they play until someone wins, they don't have a home run derby to decide the winner of a game. Basketball they play until someone wins, they don't have a game of HORSE to determine the winner of a game. The NFL plays overtime, and horror upon horror they declare the game a tie if nobody wins in the OT. You don't see QB's throwing balls into hoops to decide the game. The NHL came up with the shootout abonimation to try and appease the fans of other sports to see if they could be attracted to hockey, or at least to get their puny minds to be able to understand a tie, offending the vast majority of hockey fans. It's time they admit to the mistake, and get rid of this stunt.

Personally I think they should play 5 on 5 until someone wins, 4 on 4 to me is just a different game and if it's only valid during the regular season it's just another stunt like having the ice girls have a tee shirt shooting contest or fans having a blue angel contest. I like the 4 on 4 game in the same way I like other sports, it's just not NHL hockey to me.
I agree with the majority of your post. I'd kind of like a 20 minute 5-5 period. Maybe the first 10 minutes 5-5 and the last ten 4-4.
 

Bmf316nhl

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I'm all for the way soccer does it...

3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie.


If the NHL is dead-set against ties, you can do what somebody else mentioned

Regulation AND Overtime wins = 3 points
Shootout wins = 2 points
Shootout loses = 1 point
 

SerenityRick

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I'm all for the way soccer does it...

3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie.


If the NHL is dead-set against ties, you can do what somebody else mentioned

Regulation AND Overtime wins = 3 points
Shootout wins = 2 points
Shootout loses = 1 point

If ties are never coming back, this is what I want to happen.

Ideally I'd bring ties back and make a 10 minute 4on4. If neither team can score then neither team deserves a point.
 

wetcamelfood

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I'm all for the way soccer does it...

3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie.


If the NHL is dead-set against ties, you can do what somebody else mentioned

Regulation AND Overtime wins = 3 points
Shootout wins = 2 points
Shootout loses = 1 point

My choice is 5 on 5 until a winner, no shootout. If they must have ties after 5/10 minutes, make teams go for it:

No points for L of any kind.
Reg W - 2 points
OT W - 1 point
Tie - Each team MINUS 1 point

This will stop them mailing it in and getting their goalie to win it for them.
 

Cid

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They need to focus on fixing the point system first. It's absolutely insane that a game that goes to overtime has a 50% increase in points awarded.

What's insane is that Boston has basically an 11-6 record and Montreal a 9-11 record and they are only 3 points back of the Bruins. Forget the games in hand, the loser point makes crappy teams contenders and I personally don't agree with it.

Win 2 points.
Lose 0 points.

End of Discussion.

I would love to see them start OT off 4 on 4 and after 5 minutes if no goal go to 3 on 3 until a winner is decided.
 

Bruinguy

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Yes! I've said this for years. when they implemented the shootout they should have gone with a 3 point system all along.

Would work like this:
Every game is worth 3 total points
Regulation win = 3 points to the winner
OT/Shootout win = 2 points to the winner, 1 to the loser

This would mean teams would actually play to win more often in regulation, games would all be played for the same stakes, and you reduce the dependency on all these goofy tie-breaker calculations like ROW since regulation wins become more rewarding so the point separation between teams should be more pronounced.

Unfortunately the NHL won't do this because it would eliminate a lot of the artificial parity in the NHL right now as the truly good teams would be getting an extra point for regulation wins and pulling away from the bubble teams who currently gain ground by stealing OT points.

I always like this idea of a point system as well. I also agree that the league will likely not do it. We can always hope though.
 

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Discussed at the GM meeting in Toronto yesterday...

- Extending the 4 on 4 overtime another 5 minutes?
- Possibly going down to 3 v 3 after the 5 minute 4v4?

Pretty interesting. Although it doesn't play to the Bruins strengths, I wouldn't mind seeing some crazy, wide open 3v3 hockey.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-gms-looking-at-losing-the-shootout/

Please let this be true.

The shootout offends my old school hockey purist's soul to the core.

Play 5 x 5 in a 10 minute OT. 2 points for a win, 1 point to each team for a tie and zero points if you're the loser.
 

Sea Bass Neely

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In my mind, if you're going to do a shootout, then you have to make a win in regulation worth more. Then you don't have some games where 3 points are awarded and others only worth 2.

Then you'd see those same teams that are okay with getting their "regulation tie" point really start to put out in those last five minutes with an extra two points on the line.

3 points for a regulation win.
2 points for a shootout win +1 for a shootout loss.

Don't even need an overtime if you're going this route.

If your aim is to attract the casual viewer, this accomplishes just that without having a the false parity that the current point system promotes.

I totally agree that shootout victories should not be awarded the same amount of points as a regulation victory.

I like the points system that you propose there... 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for a shootout win, and 1 point for a shootout loss as a consolation for playing a closely contested game. That would be superior to the current points system, absolutely.

But i will admit i am not a fan of ties. IMO, the NHL simply has too much parity these days -- which is a positive thing for the league, but will result in too many ties -- and people watching competitive sports [like hockey] naturally tend to want some semblance of a "winner" and "loser" after a competitive game.

Not everyone feels that way, but generally speaking. And remember; the NHL has been making these recent changes mostly with the goal of expanding their fanbase, and the fanbases of its respective teams... and as a hockey fan i do want to see the sport's popularity grow.

More fans = more revenue = higher salary caps = higher quality teams and more talented rosters.

Lastly, i think the points system you proposed could/should be implemented without scrapping the 5-minute OT period. I would be against NHL games going directly from regulation to a shootout.

If anything, the 5-minute overtimes are too short IMO. This is why most regulation ties end up going to a shootout.
 

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Baseball they play until someone wins, they don't have a home run derby to decide the winner of a game. Basketball they play until someone wins, they don't have a game of HORSE to determine the winner of a game. The NFL plays overtime, and horror upon horror they declare the game a tie if nobody wins in the OT. You don't see QB's throwing balls into hoops to decide the game. The NHL came up with the shootout abonimation to try and appease the fans of other sports to see if they could be attracted to hockey, or at least to get their puny minds to be able to understand a tie, offending the vast majority of hockey fans. It's time they admit to the mistake, and get rid of this stunt.

Personally I think they should play 5 on 5 until someone wins, 4 on 4 to me is just a different game and if it's only valid during the regular season it's just another stunt like having the ice girls have a tee shirt shooting contest or fans having a blue angel contest. I like the 4 on 4 game in the same way I like other sports, it's just not NHL hockey to me.

Long as they're wet, I don't see the issue.
 

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anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

I hate the shootout. Ten minute overtime, 4 on 4. Tie is fine with me, though I realize that's what most coaches will be going for. 4 on 4 will make that harder to do, as well as being far more entertaining than going to 5 on 5.
 

Mr. Make-Believe

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I totally agree that shootout victories should not be awarded the same amount of points as a regulation victory.

I like the points system that you propose there... 3 points for a regulation win, 2 points for a shootout win, and 1 point for a shootout loss as a consolation for playing a closely contested game. That would be superior to the current points system, absolutely.

But i will admit i am not a fan of ties. IMO, the NHL simply has too much parity these days -- which is a positive thing for the league, but will result in too many ties -- and people watching competitive sports [like hockey] naturally tend to want some semblance of a "winner" and "loser" after a competitive game.

Not everyone feels that way, but generally speaking. And remember; the NHL has been making these recent changes mostly with the goal of expanding their fanbase, and the fanbases of its respective teams... and as a hockey fan i do want to see the sport's popularity grow.

More fans = more revenue = higher salary caps = higher quality teams and more talented rosters.

Lastly, i think the points system you proposed could/should be implemented without scrapping the 5-minute OT period. I would be against NHL games going directly from regulation to a shootout.

If anything, the 5-minute overtimes are too short IMO. This is why most regulation ties end up going to a shootout.

As it was mentioned earlier, with schedules the way they are with back-to-backs and 3 games in four nights... I don't think that extending the overtime period is an option. MAYBE to ten minutes, but I think that means no shootout (which is an option for ME, but not for the NHL and many of its fans).

The reason I mentioned scrapping the overtime period, is that it seems to me that games are so rarely decided in that five minutes. NOW, I could be totally WRONG about that (and someone feel free to dig up the percentages of how many games are decided in OT as opposed to the SO). But most of the time, it takes a PP in that time in order for the game to actually be won or lost during the 4-on-4. In other words - I'm not sure it's worth it.
 

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The shootout, loser point, and 4 on 4 (or 3 on 3) overtime are all terrible ideas. Who the hell decided to have a different set of rules for regulation vs OT and regular season vs playoffs. I don't get it :dunno:

Call me an old curmudgeon (I'm only 34 but I want 5 on 5 in regulation and OT (what a crazy idea that is) and no shootouts at all...........ever. Oh, and here's an even crazier idea, don't hand out a participation point to the team who loses. Part of the logic of the OTL point was to allow teams to play more openly in an attempt to go for the win as opposed to settle for the tie because they would end up with a point anyway. The solution I support (also happened to be a topic on FAN590 in Toronto this morning) is to change the point system. 3pt for a win. 1 for a tie. NONE FOR A LOSS!!! This puts more emphasis on winning and give an added incentive to win as many points as possible. But, the NHL wants to give the illusion that more teams are in the playoff hunt than there really are so they are going to keep 2pts for a win and 1 for an OTL. :thumbd:
 

TCL40

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anything to get the shootout out of the game is good for me. I would prefer to have 10 mins of 5 on 5 just like the old days.

If you are not willing to end a game in the playoffs 4 on 4 or in a shootout why do it in the regular season?

NHL hockey should be 5v5 always (Unless someone is in the box of course). Play the 10 mins and let the game end in a tie. All games worth 2 points. no more loser points.

I completely agree.

Every game 2 points and either the winner takes them or they are split in a tie.

I don't understand the need to have to have a winner-especially in a contrived shoot out.
 

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I have been and always will be against the shoot out. To me a team game should not be resolved with an individual skill competition.
 

Sea Bass Neely

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As it was mentioned earlier, with schedules the way they are with back-to-backs and 3 games in four nights... I don't think that extending the overtime period is an option. MAYBE to ten minutes, but I think that means no shootout (which is an option for ME, but not for the NHL and many of its fans).

The reason I mentioned scrapping the overtime period, is that it seems to me that games are so rarely decided in that five minutes. NOW, I could be totally WRONG about that (and someone feel free to dig up the percentages of how many games are decided in OT as opposed to the SO). But most of the time, it takes a PP in that time in order for the game to actually be won or lost during the 4-on-4. In other words - I'm not sure it's worth it.

I agree that any OT period should not go beyond 10 minutes. People that question why the regular season rules differ AT ALL from playoff game rules are ignoring the wear-and-tear on the players... just how taxing a 2OT, 3OT game is for a team that may well have to play the following night.

I personally don't mind there being different rules -- with regard to ties -- for the regular season as opposed to the playoffs, when everything is on the line. It is better for player safety, too.

The idea thrown around about "if a tie remains after the first 5 minute OT period, play 3-on-3 for the remainder of the OT period; whether that be another 5 minutes (then shootout), or an indefinite 3-on-3 stand-off until one team finally scores" is certainly an interesting proposition.

Not sure if i agree with the whole 3-on-3 thing, but it IS an intriguing alternative. For those who want the shootout completely removed, it may indeed be the best alternative since 99% of the time it won't take TOO long before one team scores and ends it in a sudden-death OT.

The biggest problem i have with the 3-on-3 is that it gives a HUGE advantage to teams with quicker top-6 forward lineups. Just a couple ultra-fast speedsters on one team can/would ensure that the said team is a lock to win at least 75% of the games that go to OT.

To me, that is even less fair than the current shootout rules are for a team with an abundance of "shootout specialists". Sure the said team would have an advantage... but anything can happen when it is one-on-one, player vs. goalie (regardless of statistics). OTOH, high-speed teams WILL absolutely dominate in 3-on-3 overtime periods.

The Bruins -- the way they currently play under Julien and with their current roster -- would be facing a significant disadvantage in the [hypothetical] 3-on-3 OT's despite the fact that they are a high quality playoff-caliber team.

You are right about the current 5 minute OT period practically being a formality. Almost all games tied in regulation are ultimately decided in the shootout.

Right now, there's almost no point in even having an OT period, given that the NHL is intent on keeping the shootout. I would support an initiative to have a 4-on-4, 10-minute OT period... i think this would result in fewer games decided by shootouts and speed disparities would not "tip the ice" nearly as much as a 3-on-3 OT period would.

But no more than 10 minutes, whether 5-on-5 or 4-on-4, for the OT period. Then it is either ruled a tie or it goes to shootout. I'm not in love with the shootout, but i do prefer it to tie games.

I really liked your proposal -- which rightfully assumed that the shootout is here to stay, the NHL likes the added drama and star exposure it brings to their wider fanbase -- for a new points system.

Regulation win = 3 points
OT/Shootout win = 2 points
OT/Shootout loss = 1 "consolation" point, for forcing an OT.

Keep in mind... that one point for an OT/Shootout loss would have less meaning and less impact on the standings if the points system you proposed were implemented.
 

robert terwilliger

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A quadruple overtime game on the first night of a back-to-back, when the visiting team has to fly to another city that night for a game the next, would probably put the kibosh on that.

then get rid of back to backs. get rid of the 3-4 day layoffs between games that seem to pop up.

ending games that matter on a skills competition is a joke.
 

Sea Bass Neely

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then get rid of back to backs. get rid of the 3-4 day layoffs between games that seem to pop up.

Easier said than done... most NHL teams share their home arena with NBA teams in addition to [sometimes] college basketball/hockey games.

Both the NHL and the NBA have to take all the home-game conflicts into account when mapping out their respective schedule. The NHL and NBA seasons are literally on top of each other.

Getting rid of back-to-backs is close to impossible... if not totally impossible. There are too many variables involved in making the schedule.
 

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